Dallas Skyline(WOW)Yes another Dallas to Houston comparison thread! (Webster: prices, residential)

[R1070]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

When Dallas builds anything over 560 feet tall in their downtown let me know.

Dallas is just now playing catch up to what Houston has been doing for the past decade.

Dallas doesn't even have any supertalls like Houston.

At one time in history both skylines were equal, but Houston outpaced Dallas in the 1980's.

Houston's DT skyline is almost twice the size of Dallas'.

Many cities in the U.S. do not build supertalls due to height restrictions. No one will ever be notifying you of the big new tall buildings in Dallas' skyline because it will never happen. It is not zoned for that. There will never be another building like the Bank of America building in Dallas. Is that Dallas' fault? No. Does it make Dallas look bad? No. Does Dallas need these giant skyscrapers to have a nice skyline? No. It's just the nature of the beast having the core of the city within the flight path of a nearby airport.

You all act like Dallas is inferior or subpar because Houston has 2 buildings taller than we do. Well of course it does. There's no zoning!

[savanite]

I wonder if this spitting match will ever end.

It is even more obvious that Dallas and Houston are following two mutually exclusive paths. Houston likes to build large buildings in isolation, while Dallas likes smaller buildings in more extensive neighborhoods.

[R1070]

Originally Posted by savanite

I wonder if this spitting match will ever end.

It is even more obvious that Dallas and Houston are following two mutually exclusive paths. Houston likes to build large buildings in isolation, while Dallas likes smaller buildings in more extensive neighborhoods.

Exactly.

Dallas posters just get annoyed when they hear the same broken record of "let me know when Dallas builds some taller buildings". Every single Houston poster should be well aware of the strict restrictions for buildings in Dallas. Even with the restrictions Dallas has managed to continue building a nice collection of skyscrapers. And yes the Uptown market in Dallas is hotter than Downtown and yes the Uptown market in Houston is strong as well, but the big difference is that the Uptown Dallas skyline is a part of the Downtown Skyline. They are connected not nearly 10 miles apart. If Houston's Uptown and Downtown were together like what Dallas has that would definitely be a sight to see.

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by MobileDave

I love your empty arguments that are full of opinions and never based in fact.

Dallas is improving it's Uptown skyline just like Houston is. The only thing is Houston's has a lot more room to grow and they are still building larger and more attractive structures than Dallas' Uptown. For example:






Dallas cannot build this kind of building in it's downtown because it would put the other buildings to shame. Have you ever heard of a new building respecting the architecture around it? You can't push the envelop with a new building who city already has mature architecture around it - like NY.

Don't you think NY could have gone balls out with the new Freedom Tower development? It could definitely look more modern than it does, yes, but at the same time they had to respect the mature buildings around it.

From Hines who has built buildings in China, Spain, NY, Houston...

"The Houston-based Hines organization, founded by master developer Gerald D. Hines in 1957, is keenly aware that the new building’s architecture should “complement that half-century legacy of Hines’ work” in downtown Houston.

“Our choice of *****rd Chilton, we believe, will build on this legacy,” John Mooz, senior vice president of Hines, says.
*****rd Chilton is a New Haven, Conn.-based architecture firm led by Jon *****rd and his partners. *****rd was formerly with the Cesar Pelli & Associates firm and he was a key player in the design of the 88-story Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia."


You use Atlanta for an example, one of the best looking structures, if not the best, is located in Uptown. They are not going to stick this downtown.

File:Sovereign Atlanta Building.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neither can Houston...in fact...IF this is ever built it would be the best designed building houston would ever be able to claim...It will indeed put EVERY building in Houston's metro to shame. This is definately the right direction that Houston needs to take to liven things up a bit....I wonder what the night pressence would look like....will it just disappear into the night like MOST of Houstons buildings or will it stand out like it does in the daytime?

[Nairobi]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

Neither can Houston...in fact...IF this is ever built it would be the best designed building houston would ever be able to claim...It will indeed put EVERY building in Houston's metro to shame. This is definately the right direction that Houston needs to take to liven things up a bit....I wonder what the night pressence would look like....will it just disappear into the night like MOST of Houstons buildings or will it stand out like it does in the daytime?

I hope it does. I kinda love our understated night time glow. Not everyone likes fluorescently lit buildings.

Like New York. Their crowns light up, but they don't go over the top with it.

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by Nairobi

I hope it does. I kinda love our understated night time glow. Not everyone likes fluorescently lit buildings.

Like New York. Their crowns light up, but they don't go over the top with it.

well if gambling is made legal in Texas then I don't mind some flash in an entertainment district with casinos but I don't really see the point in excess light in a downtown with not a big resident population.

I am with you on Houston's glow though. I am a fan of it too. especially from the older buildings.

[MobileDave]

Originally Posted by savanite

I wonder if this spitting match will ever end.

It is even more obvious that Dallas and Houston are following two mutually exclusive paths. Houston likes to build large buildings in isolation, while Dallas likes smaller buildings in more extensive neighborhoods.

Not exactly.




Two separate which have already broken ground.




Breaking ground in December.




Phase II of a project that has already broken ground.





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Rice Village

[MobileDave]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

Neither can Houston...in fact...IF this is ever built it would be the best designed building houston would ever be able to claim...It will indeed put EVERY building in Houston's metro to shame. This is definately the right direction that Houston needs to take to liven things up a bit....I wonder what the night pressence would look like....will it just disappear into the night like MOST of Houstons buildings or will it stand out like it does in the daytime?

I haven't mentioned any projects that are supposed to break ground. I have only mentioned places that are going to or already have. Mentioning projects that are supposed to break ground would take up more pages of this thread than I think anyone would like to look at.

I was clearly talking about Dallas' downtown not being able to handle this building. I never said this didn't include Houston's downtown. If you go back and read my post I said that building was located in Uptown and then posted a quote about Hines saying the exact same thing about Houston's downtown.

This building would also put every building in Dallas' metro to shame as well. It's a damn nice building.

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by MobileDave

I haven't mentioned any projects that are supposed to break ground. I have only mentioned places that are going to or already have. Mentioning projects that are supposed to break ground would take up more pages of this thread than I think anyone would like to look at.

I was clearly talking about Dallas' downtown not being able to handle this building. I never said this didn't include Houston's downtown. If you go back and read my post I said that building was located in Uptown and then posted a quote about Hines saying the exact same thing about Houston's downtown.

This building would also put every building in Dallas' metro to shame as well. It's a damn nice building.

Not every building to shame.....Im sorry.

[savanite]

Since Dallas and Houston have similar demographics and rates of growth, you would expect them to have similar building cycles. In my experience, they do seem to have equal rates of building to accommodate their population increases.