Atheism As A REJECTION OF--Not Disbelief In--An Evil God (hell, genesis, church)
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The only thing Adam needed to know is that God is Good and can therefore be trusted.
Well, according to other god-ists on this forum, Adam wasn't real, just a character used to tell a story. So the only thing you need to know is that it's all fiction.
Well, according to other god-ists on this forum, Adam wasn't real, just a character used to tell a story. So the only thing you need to know is that it's all fiction.
Why do you find the claims of the "other god-ists" more credible than the claims of the Catholic Church, which dogmatically asserts that Adam was a real historical person?
Why do you find the claims of the "other god-ists" more credible than the claims of the Catholic Church, which dogmatically asserts that Adam was a real historical person?
Thank you for doing exactly what I hoped you would do. If christians can't even agree on such a basic premise -- real or fictional -- then how can christians proselytize something they can't get straight in their own 'world'. 56% believe Adam & Eve were actual people. A little more than half.
But to answer the question you just asked, why would a Buddhist or atheist believe anything the catholic church says. After all, it's not our belief system. Do you believe everything in the Tipitaka?
Thank you for doing exactly what I hoped you would do. If christians can't even agree on such a basic premise -- real or fictional -- then how can christians proselytize something they can't get straight in their own 'world'. 56% believe Adam & Eve were actual people. A little more than half.
This forum is not for proselytizing, but rather for discussion. Whatever individual Christians or even Catholics believe is irrelevant, as people are going to do what they're gonna do and you can find a person of just about any faith who believes just about anything.
The Catholic Church has a dogma on this, so that's what I find relevant for discussion.
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
But to answer the question you just asked, why would a Buddhist or atheist believe anything the catholic church says. After all, it's not our belief system.
I don't know, but they ought to at least know what the Catholic Church teaches if they are going to challenge it. They also ought to be able to evaluate the competing claims of Christian sects to determine which claims are more credible, if they have any interest at all. Or ignore it. But to pretend like all claims hold equal validity is just ignorant.
Thank you for doing exactly what I hoped you would do. If christians can't even agree on such a basic premise -- real or fictional -- then how can christians proselytize something they can't get straight in their own 'world'. 56% believe Adam & Eve were actual people. A little more than half.
But to answer the question you just asked, why would a Buddhist or atheist believe anything the catholic church says. After all, it's not our belief system. Do you believe everything in the Tipitaka?
"But they aren’t. A new study, sponsored by the BioLogos Foundation and conducted by Calvin College sociologist Jonathan Hill, explores beliefs about evolution and creation in greater detail. The results show far more nuance, variation, and doubt than is commonly supposed. Most Americans do believe God created us. But the harder you press about historical claims in the Bible, the less confident people are. The percentage who stand by young-Earth creationism dwindles all the way to 15 percent."
"The next most popular statement was that “Adam and Eve, the first humans according to the Bible, were real, historical people.” Fifty-six percent of respondents affirmed this statement. But when they were pressed, only 44 percent said they were absolutely or very certain about it. A majority became a minority."
This forum is not for proselytizing, but rather for discussion. Whatever individual Christians or even Catholics believe is irrelevant, as people are going to do what they're gonna do and you can find a person of just about any faith who believes just about anything.
The Catholic Church has a dogma on this, so that's what I find relevant for discussion.
I don't know, but they ought to at least know what the Catholic Church teaches if they are going to challenge it. They also ought to be able to evaluate the competing claims of Christian sects to determine which claims are more credible, if they have any interest at all. Or ignore it. But to pretend like all claims hold equal validity is just ignorant.
For sake of discussion and for goodness sake generally speaking, I'm glad to see some effort devoted toward the question of claim validity. Of course all claims don't hold equal validity, but unfortunately it is what some people deem valid for poor reasons that tends to be "just ignorant" as well.
This forum is not for proselytizing, but rather for discussion. Whatever individual Christians or even Catholics believe is irrelevant, as people are going to do what they're gonna do and you can find a person of just about any faith who believes just about anything.
The Catholic Church has a dogma on this, so that's what I find relevant for discussion.
I don't know, but they ought to at least know what the Catholic Church teaches if they are going to challenge it. They also ought to be able to evaluate the competing claims of Christian sects to determine which claims are more credible, if they have any interest at all. Or ignore it. But to pretend like all claims hold equal validity is just ignorant.
Part of discussing a dogma is deciding if it's reasonable dogma.
"But they aren’t. A new study, sponsored by the BioLogos Foundation and conducted by Calvin College sociologist Jonathan Hill, explores beliefs about evolution and creation in greater detail. The results show far more nuance, variation, and doubt than is commonly supposed. Most Americans do believe God created us. But the harder you press about historical claims in the Bible, the less confident people are. The percentage who stand by young-Earth creationism dwindles all the way to 15 percent."
"The next most popular statement was that “Adam and Eve, the first humans according to the Bible, were real, historical people.” Fifty-six percent of respondents affirmed this statement. But when they were pressed, only 44 percent said they were absolutely or very certain about it. A majority became a minority."
Yes, I just read that article earlier this morning.
And I would guess that since very roughly half of christians don't believe Adam & Eve to be factual...the dogma is questionable.
Dogma isn't worth much at all unless the sheep follow it.
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