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Old 11-17-2023, 10:52 AM
 
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MUST SEE for anyone supporting today's "free and independent Ukrainian state," its roots and heroes that it's propagandizing.

Watch the video there with all historic footage - it's all true, whether Putin uses it for his own purpose or not.


https://twitter.com/GabeZZOZZ/status...52920689561736
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Old 11-17-2023, 10:54 AM
 
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MUST SEE for anyone supporting today's "free and independent Ukrainian state," its roots and heroes that it's propagandizing.

Watch the video there with all historic footage - it's all true, whether Putin uses it for his own purpose or not.


https://twitter.com/GabeZZOZZ/status...52920689561736
So something that happened over 80 years ago your justification for why Russia invaded?
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:03 AM
 
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So something that happened over 80 years ago your justification for why Russia invaded?

What happened 80 years ago never died out, and my biggest complaint is that once it raised its ugly head AGAIN, Putin chickened out back in 2014, instead of nipping it in the bud right there and then.

And THAT's what brought today's bloodbath.
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:04 AM
 
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What happened 80 years ago never died out, and my biggest complaint is that once it raised its ugly head AGAIN, Putin chickened out back in 2014, instead of nipping it in the bud right there and then.

And THAT's what brought today's bloodbath.
Question, how far back is the cut off date for not being able to use it as an excuse?
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:06 AM
 
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Question, how far back is the cut off date for not being able to use it as an excuse?

As long as the snake is still alive.
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:08 AM
 
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As long as the snake is still alive.
Convenient excuse to be able to do whatever you want.
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:11 AM
 
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Never underestimate the retardation of Putin's "advisers."
After all, why do you think Medvedchuk remained in Ukraine all that time, instead of getting out of that Nazi sh8thole?

I still shudder thinking of what they did to "Rodina" party young guys, these Nazi, so why was Medvedchuk staying in Ukraine?

Think about it, because this "plan" of taking Ukraine with the help of insiders in "no time," costed the ultimate humiliation of exchanging Medvedchuk for Azov thugs, that Russians lost a lot of lives to capture.
The Medvedchuk and the other insiders story, that was a gamble to try to quickly make the Ukrainians back down, and in the face of Russian troops and a potential war that they thought Ukraine would get scared. That failed and yes lives were lost. The Russians then moved on to Plan B, to further expand and enhance their forces.
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:37 AM
 
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Convenient excuse to be able to do whatever you want.

Not "whatever you want," but to deal specifically with the ideology that's alive and well ( and those who promotes it) since the WWII times.
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:39 AM
 
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The Medvedchuk and the other insiders story, that was a gamble to try to quickly make the Ukrainians back down, and in the face of Russian troops and a potential war that they thought Ukraine would get scared. That failed and yes lives were lost. The Russians then moved on to Plan B, to further expand and enhance their forces.

But it's this "Plan A" ( that failed) is what brought the initial idea of "three days."
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:39 AM
 
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Not "whatever you want," but to deal specifically with the ideology that's alive and well since the WWII times.
And anyone can find something that happened in the past to do "justify" doing anything they want. So yes, it is a covienant excuse to do whatever you want. At some point you just have to let the past go.
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