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Old 11-17-2023, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Near the State Capital
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That is probably the most ridiculous notion that Russia was expected to defeat Ukraine in 3 days. This certainly did not come from the Russians.
I think it came from US intelligence and “experts"

US intelligence officials are concerned that Kyiv could fall under Russian control within days (c)

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/polit...nce/index.html

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Old 11-17-2023, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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That is probably the most ridiculous notion that Russia was expected to defeat Ukraine in 3 days. This certainly did not come from the Russians. No military in the world could have defeated Ukraine in 3 days, including the US military. Ukraine had been built up by NATO countries and had a strong military pre-2022. This false belief was likely started by the Ukrainekateers.

Or it came from common folk watching Russia sacrificing their airborne units at an airport near the Ukrainian capital and the relief convoy that got stuck in the mud and smashed. And nobody buys it was just a feint to move a few kilometers across the other borders. It looked like a replay of the Allies failed Operation Market Garden from WWII.
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Old 11-17-2023, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Following the failure of the Ukrainian counter offensive, the video below offers some good insight and analysis.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHNLzAV5Xso
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Old 11-17-2023, 07:04 AM
 
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Following the failure of the Ukrainian counter offensive, the video below offers some good insight and analysis.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHNLzAV5Xso
Simon is one of my favorite guys to watch on Youtube. He has at least 6 different channels and they are all very informational.
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Old 11-17-2023, 07:26 AM
 
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Or it came from common folk watching Russia sacrificing their airborne units at an airport near the Ukrainian capital and the relief convoy that got stuck in the mud and smashed. And nobody buys it was just a feint to move a few kilometers across the other borders. It looked like a replay of the Allies failed Operation Market Garden from WWII.
Really? Those losses were small compared to the full Russian forces mobilized and no way could those troops take Kiev even if they would not have taken any losses. There was a total of 40,000 Russian troops available for the Kiev area, far too small to take this city. The Russian plan was to intimidate the Ukrainians into surrender. This did not work since Ukrainian forces far outnumbered the Russian ones. They did not fold and fought instead. Nevertheless, they were powerless to eject the Russian forces from the Kiev area. The Russian convoys sat until they were ready to leave. I was expecting the Ukrainians to shell them, bomb them, or drone them. But no, that didn't happen. The Russians just left. The intimidation to surrender did not work.
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Old 11-17-2023, 07:34 AM
 
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That is probably the most ridiculous notion that Russia was expected to defeat Ukraine in 3 days. This certainly did not come from the Russians. No military in the world could have defeated Ukraine in 3 days, including the US military. Ukraine had been built up by NATO countries and had a strong military pre-2022. This false belief was likely started by the Ukrainekateers.
Soldiers don’t bring colorful parade uniforms and metals to wear into battle.

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Russian invasion plans, obtained by The New York Times, show that the military expected to sprint hundreds of miles across Ukraine and triumph within days. Officers were told to pack their dress uniforms and medals in anticipation of military parades in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv
https://brian-kean.medium.com/russia...e-a138086cbf4f
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Old 11-17-2023, 07:35 AM
 
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I think it came from US intelligence and “experts"

US intelligence officials are concerned that Kyiv could fall under Russian control within days (c)

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/polit...nce/index.html
Lol! Yes, interesting.
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Old 11-17-2023, 07:44 AM
 
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Soldiers don’t bring colorful parade uniforms and metals to wear into battle.


https://brian-kean.medium.com/russia...e-a138086cbf4f
This was a Russian intimidation tactic. No fighting was expected so why not bring dress uniforms? If this info is true that is. But nevertheless, the tactic didn't work. Ukrainian forces outnumbered Russian forces. So Ukes decided to fight.

Yes, a war could be won in one minute if one side decides not to fight and to surrender.
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Old 11-17-2023, 08:50 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Dang, ya'll almost make me wish I hadn't put ITBus on my ignore list.
Almost, but not quite.


3 days; 5 days; a month - doesn't really matter exactly how long Russia thought it would take. The point is, they never imagined the backlash and isolation they now are experiencing and year and a half later. And with no end in sight!


The uninformed media gleefully point out Russia has sold XX billion dollars in oil, but remain ignorant of the fact that Russia is forced to sell it at nearly cost. Of course there are workarounds for sanctions! No one thought there would not be. But the workarounds are both expensive and constricting. Russia simple cannot get everything it needs and is not able to manufacture much of it without input from other countries.
Turning to North Korea for help?! No one thinks that is a desperate move?! North Korea, because of sanctions, is one of the poorest countries in the world.
Russia will probably never recover from this debacle.
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Old 11-17-2023, 10:11 AM
 
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That is probably the most ridiculous notion that Russia was expected to defeat Ukraine in 3 days. This certainly did not come from the Russians. No military in the world could have defeated Ukraine in 3 days, including the US military. Ukraine had been built up by NATO countries and had a strong military pre-2022. This false belief was likely started by the Ukrainekateers.

Never underestimate the retardation of Putin's "advisers."
After all, why do you think Medvedchuk remained in Ukraine all that time, instead of getting out of that Nazi sh8thole?

I still shudder thinking of what they did to "Rodina" party young guys, these Nazi, so why was Medvedchuk staying in Ukraine?

Think about it, because this "plan" of taking Ukraine with the help of insiders in "no time," costed the ultimate humiliation of exchanging Medvedchuk for Azov thugs, that Russians lost a lot of lives to capture.
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