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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.80%
No 255 50.50%
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Old 07-25-2023, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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You’re not fighting anyone.

you're right..the only people I'm fighting are the pro Russia supporters on here..and there are a bunch of them, just like yourself..but I'm referring to your friend Tall Traveler who calls all Ukraine supporters on here warmongers..
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Old 07-25-2023, 04:58 AM
 
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And you seem to think China is going to let "Russia go down." Hint: they won't.
Not so sure.

Xi and Putin are mutually supportive strongmen, but the two counties are rivals more than friends. The typical Chinese citizen looks at the Black Dragon River and becomes angry, knowing that the border should be much further north and feeling that the land was stolen.

A weak Russia could be to China's benefit.
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Old 07-25-2023, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Are all the warmongers on here still willing to fight to the last Ukrainian?
They're slowly starting to disappear.

They finally realize Ukraine will always border Russia and that their tax dollars are going to pay for the cleanup.
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Old 07-25-2023, 05:06 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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You’re not fighting anyone.
Correct, I don't see our warmongers going to fight.
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Old 07-25-2023, 05:09 AM
 
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You’re absolutely correct. Oil has absolutely nothing to do with this. This is about having a hostile, western puppet Ukrainian regime, with a formidable western created Ukrainian military poised on the Russian Border, to be added to NATO, which is a military alliance with clear hostility toward Russian security interests.

The Globalists would like nothing more than to destabilize and fracture Russia, in order to loot and pillage Russia in the same manner that they’ve managed to accomplish with the United States.

Russia sees these developments in Ukraine as an existential threat to Russia’s survival as an autonomous Republic, and they are 100% correct.
Ukraine never claimed a foot of Russian territory, even though historically they could.

Ukraine never attacked Russia. Ukraine's non-aggressive stance was so profound that they gave up their nuclear arsenal, the first country to do so, , and they allowed their defense forces to decline to an embarrassingly weak state.

This is why Russia was able to snatch Crimea away with a few 'little green men' and Ukraine was unprepared to meet even that challenge.

Russia's seizure of Crimea and Russia's stimulating and supplying the fake insurrection in the east changed everything. It was not until then that Western nations began to help Ukraine build up it's defenses.
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Old 07-25-2023, 05:51 AM
 
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You’re absolutely correct. Oil has absolutely nothing to do with this. This is about having a hostile, western puppet Ukrainian regime, with a formidable western created Ukrainian military poised on the Russian Border, to be added to NATO, which is a military alliance with clear hostility toward Russian security interests.

The Globalists would like nothing more than to destabilize and fracture Russia, in order to loot and pillage Russia in the same manner that they’ve managed to accomplish with the United States.

Russia sees these developments in Ukraine as an existential threat to Russia’s survival as an autonomous Republic, and they are 100% correct.
Nailed it.

Developments in Ukraine are indeed an existential threat to Russia's survival. When the feathers have settled, Russia's bones will be picked clean.
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Old 07-25-2023, 06:47 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Tit for tat, baby, said Ukraine. You hit Odessa. We hit Moscow.

Here is a very interesting take on the cancellation of the grain deal. This guy is saying, it's bad for Russia. He has been right a number of times.

Ukraine knows the Kerch Bridge is very important to Putin. Why did they attack it just a day before the grain deal were to expire? Was it a colossal mistake, or did Ukraine do it to force Putin's hand?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvPc...ist=WL&index=1
I saw that episode yesterday.
It's an interesting slant on things, and in particular points to the problem of having a near dictatorship the way Russia does. Anders points out that withdrawing from the grain deal - and being firm about it! - may have been done in a fit of rage by Putin after his bridge was hit.


Now Russia is stuck. They don't dare move their fleet close enough to enforce a blockade, they don't dare just set about willy-nilly sinking commercial ships, they don't have the capability of boarding and inspecting all ships, so all they can do is stand back at great distance and use horrendously expensive missiles to hit piles of grain. Since the economy of Ukraine is wholly subsidized by the rest of the world, any effect the destruction of grain has will work against Russia, who will be blamed for any food difficulty caused in Africa.
Yup..... Russia is in a pickle.
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Old 07-25-2023, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Lotta pro-Russians here on this board harping on the “wasting tax dollars” campaign. Really, what else would you do with your precious tax dollars? Help out veterans in America? Homeless? Mental health programs and hospitals? Sure you would do that!

These are dollars needed to fight Russia and help maintain America’s superpower status. Russia is a thorn and will mess up the entire globe. Seems like some ppl don’t have a clue.
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Old 07-25-2023, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Interesting article: Everyone Wants Ukraine’s Battlefield Data

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Global companies are offering free products to get access to live combat data. The Ukrainian government wants to keep this resource for its own emerging defense industry.
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Old 07-25-2023, 08:46 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Reading your article reminded me of the way farming has evolved. Back in the old days farmers just sort of winged it. They made plans, of course, and planted the crops accordingly, but after that the crop was on its own.
Today, crops are monitored and pesticides and fertilizers are put where and when they are needed. The information is collected by drones.


War is now evolving along the same lines. Real-time needs can sometimes be met even without the traditional call from the battlefield. In the past battles were watched from a safe distance, but battlefield commanders could do nothing to change the situation. They had to just wait and hope. Evidently, the information they have now tells them when to use offensive moves and when to use defensive ones.
Russia sometimes just seems to order a charge that is little changed from WW1.
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