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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 198 39.52%
No 254 50.70%
Unsure 49 9.78%
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Old 08-07-2023, 03:31 PM
 
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There's no tangent, just the main point that Russia is a narcissistic/psychopathic world player. They'll exaggerate the significance of any slight done onto them, while at the same time practicing absolutely dirty diplomacy.
Talking about "psychopathy" - that's exactly what was coming from Ukraine from 2014 on, and Russians could see it ( while the West couldn't.)
This is just an example.

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/statu...93097065558016

This craziness was wide-spread in Ukraine, (even though the evidence of it is carefully cleansed from Youtube and other media,) but actions have consequences, even when the West is *not aware* by design of those actions.

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Let's just imagine for a second, in the Budapest Memorandum, if it was Russia handing in their nukes in exchange for security guarantees, and then later NATO conducts a "special military operation" to come liberate the Chechens and recognize it as an independent state. Oh how the sloppy drunk bear would cry foul about this!
Again - this is a good example of typical ( and delusional) way of thinking of Ukrainians of different ranks, governmental ranks including, that all countries are of the same weight, and Ukraine (a 30 year old state) and Russia (a 1,000 year old state) are in the same weight category.

No they are not, and Ukraine is not match to even *slimmed down* Russia. Nowhere close.

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Not even to mention HOW the Russians have been conducting their invasion...widespread robbing, raping, torturing, murdering. I'm totally with Listener, Russia must sink over this.
Please spare me your Ukr. propaganda. I know more of Ukrainian crimes than you care.
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Old 08-07-2023, 05:15 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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284,000 obituaries have been found in Russia by Russian propagandists. They are shocked. Evidently they had believed the stories they were being fed.


Ukraine now uses drones to ferry the wounded from battlefield to hospital. No longer are trained pilots necessary. Drones don't get tired. They just keep going, wherever they are needed.
Russia abandons its wounded.



Ukraine fires cluster munitions into Russian positions.


Inflation in Russia is ramping up. The ruble is still declining daily. It has declined some 30 to 40% against all major currencies in the last year, and is down 65% over the last 10 years. The bottom is not in sight. That ramps up the cost of everything in Russia and makes foreign travel - for those who are allowed out of Russia - prohibitively expensive.
Supplies that Russia receives through the back door from China now cost 50% more than they did last year. It will get worse. That means a $1M missile made last year and fired today will cost $1.4M next time they fire one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f25hWjlZrFA
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Old 08-07-2023, 05:22 PM
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I dunno not an expert or anything but I think we should have just given a lump sum of money to ukraine. Joe biden seems to want to go to any length to support ukraine meanwhile student loans didn't get canceled I know due to republicans but still. What if we go bankrupt from this? I wonder what you all think. I think ukraine has a right to determine its own destiny and be a sovereign country, but the amount of money we are pouring into ukraine we could of helped our own citizens.
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Old 08-07-2023, 07:12 PM
 
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I dunno not an expert or anything but I think we should have just given a lump sum of money to ukraine. Joe biden seems to want to go to any length to support ukraine meanwhile student loans didn't get canceled I know due to republicans but still. What if we go bankrupt from this? I wonder what you all think. I think ukraine has a right to determine its own destiny and be a sovereign country, but the amount of money we are pouring into ukraine we could of helped our own citizens.
$30 trillion dollar economy is not going to go bankrupt over the relatively small amount being spent...
and a lot of it is inventory....with a shelf life (use it or lose it).....
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Old 08-07-2023, 07:21 PM
 
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$30 trillion dollar economy is not going to go bankrupt over the relatively small amount being spent...
and a lot of it is inventory....with a shelf life (use it or lose it).....
I thought it's a $32-33 trillion dollar economy
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Old 08-07-2023, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Use it then lose it. Face it NATO is outgunned save yourself and end the war. US equipment and military know how is inferior to the Russians. Or you could listen to the guys who fought Flotsum and Jetsum to a standstill. Like Betrayus and his nonsense.
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Old 08-07-2023, 07:33 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I dunno not an expert or anything but I think we should have just given a lump sum of money to ukraine. Joe biden seems to want to go to any length to support ukraine meanwhile student loans didn't get canceled I know due to republicans but still. What if we go bankrupt from this? I wonder what you all think. I think ukraine has a right to determine its own destiny and be a sovereign country, but the amount of money we are pouring into ukraine we could of helped our own citizens.
That's the liberal's line. Just give us more money.
We conservatives don't buy it. Giving more money to San Francisco, Washington DC, Baltimore, or Chicago just isn't going to work. It never has.


There is no reason to cancel student loans. Individual students, yes, in some cases. But not a blanket cancellation.
The US budget is $6,000 billion. I leave it to you to figure out how much cash we have sent to Ukraine, but whatever it is, it won't make a dent in that budget.


There is a war going on. Been going on since 2014, in fact, when Russia decided they should have Crimea. The idea is to stop it where it is. After all, we have seen in history where aggressive countries simply gobbled up one country after another with no end until the aggressors were destroyed at great cost. I'm thinking Germany. Japan. And even Iraq, when they invaded Kuwait. Iraq was stopped cold.
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Old 08-07-2023, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Denys update...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to_mlKoqCkg
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Old 08-07-2023, 07:41 PM
 
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That's the liberal's line. Just give us more money.
We conservatives don't buy it. Giving more money to San Francisco, Washington DC, Baltimore, or Chicago just isn't going to work. It never has.


There is no reason to cancel student loans. Individual students, yes, in some cases. But not a blanket cancellation.
The US budget is $6,000 billion. I leave it to you to figure out how much cash we have sent to Ukraine, but whatever it is, it won't make a dent in that budget.


There is a war going on. Been going on since 2014, in fact, when Russia decided they should have Crimea. The idea is to stop it where it is. After all, we have seen in history where aggressive countries simply gobbled up one country after another with no end until the aggressors were destroyed at great cost. I'm thinking Germany. Japan. And even Iraq, when they invaded Kuwait. Iraq was stopped cold.
Correct it's difficult to make a dent in a $1.5 trillion hole
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Old 08-07-2023, 10:01 PM
 
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An explosive video from Warthog.

A grain depot in Istanbul was struck. Turkey suspects Russia was behind the attack.

Whether by nature or resistance groups, there have been a lot of fires in Russia.

Fighter jets and cargo aircraft practice taking off and landing on highways in Finland in preparation for war with Russia. I think Finland just wants to send Russia this message: we are not the same Finland you stole land from.


https://youtu.be/zThTPM6lfXA
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