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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.64%
No 257 50.69%
Unsure 49 9.66%
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Old 06-30-2023, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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For the most part - yes.

Youtube allows only what shows Ukraine in favorable light.
That is correct. YouTube and the mainstream media are only going to air, publish, suggest, recommend, and promote favorable content for Ukraine.

They won’t show the part where they called Ukraine a corrupt impoverished Neo-Nazi state before Putin invaded.

That’s partly why Putin invaded these places, because “no one cares” about them. Georgia, Armenia, Belarus, Moldova, Kazakhstan, etc. the west doesn’t care. It only pretends to care AFTER the invasion begins.
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Old 06-30-2023, 09:25 PM
 
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I used to think MICs are the enemy. I was wrong. They are the foundation of a strong and prosperous country.

Most people, regardless of their political stance, want to our soldiers to be safe on the battlefield. To be safe they need superior weapons than the enemy has. MICs give our soldiers those weapons.

Military technologies created by MICs trickle down to civilian uses too. The gears that keep police officers safe such as helmets, ballistic vests, tactical vehicles, etc. have their roots in the military.

NASA rockets used for sending communication satellites, GPS, astronauts to space came from military rocket technology created by MICs.

Defense jobs are good jobs that contribute to the tax base. Those jobs are not outsourced like non-defense jobs.

Most of the countries you listed have robust MICs. They are also affluent countries. It takes smart people, engineers and scientists, to build a MIC. They are not the enemy. They are members of our community.
Perhaps you need to go back and listen to the Eisenhower's farewell speech.

There is no logical reason to have military expenditures exceeding $1 trillion.
And meanwhile the country is $30+ trillion in debt
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Old 06-30-2023, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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I used to think MICs are the enemy. I was wrong. They are the foundation of a strong and prosperous country. Most people want to our soldiers to be safe on the battlefield. To be safe they need superior weapons than the enemy has. MICs give our soldiers those weapons.

Military technologies created by MICs trickle down to civilian uses too. The gears that keep police officers safe such as helmets, ballistic vests, tactical vehicles, etc. have their roots in the military.

NASA rockets used for sending communication satellites, GPS, astronauts to space came from military rocket technology created by MICs.

Defense jobs are good jobs that contribute to the tax base. Those jobs are not outsourced like non-defense jobs.

Most of the countries you listed have robust MICs. They are also affluent countries. It takes smart people, engineers and scientists, to build a MIC. They are not the enemy. They are members of our community.
Holy hell, this reads like an advertisement for Raytheon.

You are correct in many ways, you are incorrect in some ways, but more importantly you miss the bigger picture. There is no doubt that a MIC is required for national defense, and there is no doubt that America needs the most technologically advanced weapons.

The danger, as explained by Eisenhower, is that the Military-Industrial Complex, because there is so much money involved, and because of all the people employed by it, will look for conflicts from which it can profit and/or justify its existence. In short, the MIC doesn't want peace because peace would put it out of a job.

The truth is, the MIC doesn't defend America's borders, it maintains a global empire. America's borders haven't been threatened since 1814. The purpose of the MIC is to supply our proxies, to enable our interventionist foreign-policy, and to profit off arms sales.
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Old 07-01-2023, 03:44 AM
 
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Russian bots are pushing the WWIII/nukes scare hard.
...says a Ukrainian bot. The best defense is offense... isn't it? :привкус:
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Old 07-01-2023, 03:56 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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https://globalsouth.co/2023/06/28/sc...-great-empire/
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Old 07-01-2023, 03:57 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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...says a Ukrainian bot. The best defense is offense... isn't it? :привкус:
Not a bot actually believes it.
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Old 07-01-2023, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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update from the front...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywwN0wMBiSg
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Old 07-01-2023, 08:07 AM
 
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The situation in the Zaporozhye direction at 12.00 01.07.23

As expected, in order to hide his plans, the enemy is maneuvering reserves along the line of contact, trying to strike at our key targets (for example, in Berdyansk at the Airport, etc.), and also reconnaissance in small groups (up to a platoon) throughout the Zaporizhzhya front.

So far, all his actions confirm the assumption that one of these days he will strike his main blow.

That is the calm before the storm. We wait.

P.S. What is remarkable. The last two days have shown that we have learned how to intercept British Storm Shadows. Today, both missiles over Berdyansk were successfully intercepted (yesterday, alas, not all of them).

Kherson direction at 12.00 01.07.23

Unfortunately, we were not able to take advantage of the results of yesterday's successful work of our missilemen and UAVs.

The assault group (127th brigade) ran into a minefield and was covered by artillery and rolled back.

More yesterday, at night and in the morning there was no activity. The enemy is trying to build new logistics (the old pier was destroyed by the Iskander strike) in order to continue to hold a bridgehead on about. Antonovsky.

Limansky direction situation at 13.00 01.07.23

After yesterday's unsuccessful attempts to push back the paratroopers of the 76th division from the forest area southwest of Dibrov, in order to thereby negate our successes of the previous week, the enemy was barely able to hold the line from which he was trying to launch a counterattack.

Obviously, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine understands the whole threat of the further advance of our units to the Liman is trying with all its might to resist this, but so far it has not been very successful.

Nevertheless, the pace of our offensive here was somewhat managed by the enemy to be brought down. But I think not for long.

https://t.me/yurasumy/9629
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Old 07-01-2023, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Raytheon Calls in Retirees to Help Restart Stinger Missile Production
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The shoulder-fired missile is one of the weapons that’s been credited with getting Ukraine through the early days of the Russian invasion.
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“We were bringing back retired employees that are in their 70s … to teach our new employees how to actually build a Stinger,” Kremer said. “We're pulling test equipment out of warehouses and blowing the spider webs off of them.”
Stingers have been out of production for 20 years and those which were sent to Ukraine were from U.S. stockpiles. The Stingers will be built “the same way they were built four decades ago: including installing the missile’s nose cone by hand.”
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Old 07-01-2023, 09:12 AM
 
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Raytheon Calls in Retirees to Help Restart Stinger Missile Production



Stingers have been out of production for 20 years and those which were sent to Ukraine were from U.S. stockpiles. The Stingers will be built “the same way they were built four decades ago: including installing the missile’s nose cone by hand.”
Stingers are one of about 3 or 4 MANPADS used in Ukraine. The Polish Piorun is considered the best, and the US is buying them.

This is not the 80's anymore. Raytheon needs to make something better than the Stinger.
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