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The US industrial military complex. They're giddy they get to see US equipment go up against peer equipment unlike in recent wars. They're also excited that congress is throwing even more money at them to replace/make what we give them.
What we should do is fly American pilots in those F-16's as volunteers. Russians been bluffing for years with their old Migs the viper in a dog fight against Russian migs I want to see that video. That SU-25 they use for CAS will be blown to bits against an F-16.
Russia is far too weak to be a direct threat to the USA, and Ukraine is not the 51st state of the USA.
How is Russia weak if it has plenty of S-400 to fight against these F-16s?
It will tweak those systems and invent new ones after fighting in real combats. Then, it will sell missiles to Arabs.
Wrong. The weapons we are sending to Ukraine are basically lend-lease. Ukraine has to pay us back. And the real intent is for Ukraine to take Russia to the International Court to force Russia to pay the cost of the war.
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, India... will be next in line.
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, India... will be next in line.
That will never happen because we would not only ignore the ICJ rulings, but we have laws that say if the ICJ tries to arrest Americans, we will invade the Hague. This whole "rules-based order" crap that we're always peddling is just a front for western hegemony. The rules are whatever we say they are.
Russia has to go down for the betterment of America's status.
You're the only person in this thread that is talking sense.
This is the truest and most succinct statement written on this forum about the Ukraine War since February 2022. Everyone needs to read this statement, internalize it, and understand what will happen to America(and the petrodollar) if America loses this war.
Wrong. The weapons we are sending to Ukraine are basically lend-lease. Ukraine has to pay us back. And the real intent is for Ukraine to take Russia to the International Court to force Russia to pay the cost of the war. All those hundreds of billions the West confiscated from Russia at the start of the war will be used to pay the judgement. The West even tried to withhold payments to Russia for oil/gas to put it in a fund to rebuild Ukraine.
Oh cool. I remember hearing the EXACT SAME THING about the Iraqis. Do you remember how they were going to pay us back for our efforts there too? How's that working out?
2) A victory means the total defeat/capitulation of the Russian Army, leading to intra-elite division/Civil War/Revolution.
3) America's interests are both geostrategic and economic. Blackrock, JP Morgan, Cargill, and others, are going to make a lot of money if Ukraine wins.
4) Rofl. Europe didn't want this war. Germany was dragged into it kicking and screaming. France was largely indifferent. The only Europeans who wanted this war were the British and Poles. Without America, there is no war. Don't you remember when Victoria Nuland said F the EU?
5) It is 100% our problem. I appreciated that Chris Christie called this war what it is. An America/China proxy war.
Which is something I said at the start of this war and was roundly mocked on this forum by know-nothings.
America losing the Ukraine War is tantamount to surrendering to China.
However, recent polling of Ukrainians inside Ukraine and those that fled shows a different story and upset the American pollster, who blamed the shocking results on Russian propaganda fooling Ukrainians. On the other hand, some speculate that the numbers would be higher, but those aren't comfortable as they have less freedom of speech there.
Not only are many scared to say what they think, Ukraine nationalized all media, and most of the pro-Russian areas weren't included in the poll because they are currently under Russian occupation. A truly objective and complete survey would add liked 10-20% to all those numbers.
The Left loves Ukraine's "democracy". They love it so much, they fly the flag of a country they had no idea even existed prior to 2022.
There are no elections there. Political opposition parties have been banned. Media outlets banned. Forced conscription. Their dictator/leader wears military fatigues instead of a suit and tie (like he used to), while he demands more money and billions of dollars of munitions all courtesy of the American taxpayer.
And right here in America, if you voice your displeasure with WAR, the killing of hundreds of thousands of human beings, the chance that this conflict will spread elsewhere, with nuclear ramifications, you're labeled as a Putinista. Somehow if you're anti-war, pro cease fire, pro-peace you'll get the wrath of the Liberals.
so what??..should we set back and let Russia invade and take over a sovereign country??..hell no..
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