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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.72%
No 256 50.59%
Unsure 49 9.68%
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Old 07-25-2023, 08:47 AM
 
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Lotta pro-Russians here on this board harping on the “wasting tax dollars” campaign. Really, what else would you do with your precious tax dollars? Help out veterans in America? Homeless? Mental health programs and hospitals? Sure you would do that!

These are dollars needed to fight Russia and help maintain America’s superpower status. Russia is a thorn and will mess up the entire globe. Seems like some ppl don’t have a clue.
Exactly.

Until it's too late....."hey, who took away my cheese...."
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Old 07-25-2023, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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This was just published by the Washington Post. You may hit a paywall and you may not like the Washington Post. Regardless this goes for Putin's jugular and the reporting doesn't appear to be more than plain old common sense given Russia's infamous Kleptocracy form of Government. As long as Prigozhin is alive and walking the smaller Putin becomes. It appears The Wagner Group became Putin's Frankenstein monster. It's simply a genie that cannot be put back into the bottle.

Putin appeared paralyzed and unable to act in first hours of rebellion

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...mlin-disarray/

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The lack of direction from the Kremlin during the crisis has left Putin significantly weakened, according to his critics. “Putin showed himself to be a person who is not able to make serious, important and quick decisions in critical situations. He just hid,” said Gennady Gudkov, a former colonel in the Russian security services who is now an opposition politician in exile. “This was not understood by most of the Russian population. But it was very well understood by Putin’s elite. He is no longer the guarantor of their security and the preservation of the system.”

“Russia is a country of mafia rules. And Putin made an unforgivable mistake,” said a senior Moscow financier with ties to the Russian intelligence services. “He lost his reputation as the toughest man in town.”
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Old 07-25-2023, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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and let me add a little fuel to the anti Pooty fire...

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Putin Is Running Out of Options in Ukraine
Russia Edges Closer to a Reckoning
By Lawrence Freedman
July 25, 2023

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukrai...ptions-ukraine
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Old 07-25-2023, 09:24 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Ukraine is on its way to becoming the most militarized country in Europe............ LINK


I don't think that path - the path to extreme militarization - will be abandoned soon, either. Ukraine will emerge from the war a stronger and more heavily defended country than they have ever been. Increased commerce will quickly follow.
Meanwhile, Russia used expensive missiles to hit grain warehouses.


Over $76.8B has been spent aiding Ukraine. The US budget is $6,011B.
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Old 07-25-2023, 09:31 AM
 
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Ukraine is on its way to becoming the most militarized country in Europe............ LINK


I don't think that path - the path to extreme militarization - will be abandoned soon, either. Ukraine will emerge from the war a stronger and more heavily defended country than they have ever been. Increased commerce will quickly follow.
Meanwhile, Russia used expensive missiles to hit grain warehouses.


Over $76.8B has been spent aiding Ukraine. The US budget is $6,011B.
Thanks to Russia, Poland is also on a path to become the largest land force in Europe.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...st-land-force/

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Spurred on by war next door and the growing fear that Poland could one day be in the sights of a Kremlin looking to return to the days when the Russian empire once stretched to River Vistula, the Polish government is determined to arm up - and fast.

This year it will spend 4 percent of its GDP on defence, an amount double the Nato requirement, and one that will make Poland the biggest, per-capita, spender on defence in the alliance.

Some of the deals for new equipment pre-date the Ukraine war when Poland, already conscious of the Russian threat, had started to revamp armed forces still burdened with a lot of Soviet-era equipment.

But Putin’s invasion turbo-charged the process, and prompted a host of new contracts to be signed as well.

"The criminal assault carried out by the Russian Federation, targeting Ukraine, and the unpredictable nature of Putin means that we need to accelerate the equipment modernisation even further,” Mariusz Blaszczak, the Polish defence minister, told the Defence24 portal.
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Old 07-25-2023, 10:00 AM
 
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I am so glad this source guarantees Russia can't recover from this, it looks like their prediction a bit ago of Russia has 5 weeks max was truth and not clickbait propaganda hype.



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If F-16 doesn't help , maybe time to give them F-35?
We're already saying the F 16s won't be a game changer unlike the last weapon loads. Which was an excuse for more stuff.


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Lotta pro-Russians here on this board harping on the “wasting tax dollars” campaign. Really, what else would you do with your precious tax dollars? Help out veterans in America? Homeless? Mental health programs and hospitals? Sure you would do that!

These are dollars needed to fight Russia and help maintain America’s superpower status. Russia is a thorn and will mess up the entire globe. Seems like some ppl don’t have a clue.
Nuance.

Is it possible to think that US foreign policy and Russian policy misbehaved and not be pro-Russian?

Logic.

If we have to "fight Russia" to maintain US Super Power status, than don't we also have to fight China?

Is it possible to have more than one super power?

The US has at least 3 times as many foreign military bases as all other countries on earth combined. Is it possible that exhausts our resources and makes us look threatening to other countries?
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Old 07-25-2023, 10:16 AM
 
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I am so glad this source guarantees Russia can't recover from this, it looks like their prediction a bit ago of Russia has 5 weeks max was truth and not clickbait propaganda hype.





We're already saying the F 16s won't be a game changer unlike the last weapon loads. Which was an excuse for more stuff.




Nuance.

Is it possible to think that US foreign policy and Russian policy misbehaved and not be pro-Russian?

Logic.

If we have to "fight Russia" to maintain US Super Power status, than don't we also have to fight China?

Is it possible to have more than one super power?

The US has at least 3 times as many foreign military bases as all other countries on earth combined. Is it possible that exhausts our resources and makes us look threatening to other countries?
You know you are leaving out the part of Russia illegally invading a sovereign nation in what appears to be a genocidal war. That's kind of why we are here. Wouldn't you say??
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Old 07-25-2023, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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Thanks to Russia, Poland is also on a path to become the largest land force in Europe.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...st-land-force/
Yup. While these Z-parrot chumps are pounding their chests and predicting Russia's "win" lol.

Yeh they won, the NATO sea is what they won lol. Russia is sticking it's nukes in Belarus (which btw, again, goes entirely against the Budapest Memorandum with they both signed), ok so now Poland is saying it wants to host NATO nukes.
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Old 07-25-2023, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Ukraine is on its way to becoming the most militarized country in Europe............ LINK

I don't think that path - the path to extreme militarization - will be abandoned soon, either. Ukraine will emerge from the war a stronger and more heavily defended country than they have ever been. Increased commerce will quickly follow.
Ukraine has no economy. Half its people have fled or died. Its fertility-rate is practically zero. It was losing a million people every year even before the war. Since Ukraine has no economy and no industry, it has converted its entire male population into soldiers, financed and equipped by the United States. But while the Ukrainian Army might be the largest in Europe in raw numbers, it is still poorly-equipped, incompetently led, and unable to replace anything it loses(which it burns through at an insane rate). This idea that Ukraine having a strong army will magically make Ukraine economically attractive is completely delusional. Not only will it take Ukraine years to get back to where it was before the war, but a large standing Army is an economic drag because all the young men are working as soldiers instead of producing goods and services.

Regardless of what happens, Ukraine is dead, and the Ukrainians are morons for letting America drive them to suicide. There will be ten million non-European migrants flooding Ukraine after this war, regardless of who wins. If Ukraine continues to exist, it won't be Ukrainian.
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Old 07-25-2023, 11:13 AM
 
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Ukraine has no economy. Half its people have fled or died. Its fertility-rate is practically zero. It was losing a million people every year even before the war. Since Ukraine has no economy and no industry, it has converted its entire male population into soldiers, financed and equipped by the United States. But while the Ukrainian Army might be the largest in Europe in raw numbers, it is still poorly-equipped, incompetently led, and unable to replace anything it loses(which it burns through at an insane rate). This idea that Ukraine having a strong army will magically make Ukraine economically attractive is completely delusional. Not only will it take Ukraine years to get back to where it was before the war, but a large standing Army is an economic drag because all the young men are working as soldiers instead of producing goods and services.

Regardless of what happens, Ukraine is dead, and the Ukrainians are morons for letting America drive them to suicide. There will be ten million non-European migrants flooding Ukraine after this war, regardless of who wins. If Ukraine continues to exist, it won't be Ukrainian.
Yes, how dare a people fight against invaders.
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