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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 209 40.04%
No 263 50.38%
Unsure 50 9.58%
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Old 07-21-2023, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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The neocons want to arm and start wars everywhere, yes. Think, "what would Sen. John McCain do?"

Correct. I prefer the "carry a big stick" approach. Putin kept the war mongering to a minimum while Trump was president, likely because he was intimidated. Biden on the other hand exemplifies weakness and is respected by no one in the international community. Even our allies snicker in amusement of what the democrats have selected to "lead" the nation.
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Old 07-21-2023, 02:50 PM
 
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So according to the video the big quotes from the report are a few machine guns, a grenade launcher, some vests, and some ammo were stolen. Ukraine caught everyone and got the material back.

Then there are some scare quotes from Russian media.
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Old 07-21-2023, 02:53 PM
 
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The neocons want to arm and start wars everywhere, yes. Think, "what would Sen. John McCain do?"
I have got news for you, if elected President, neither Trump nor DeSantis is going to stop supporting Ukraine.
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Old 07-21-2023, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Are these what is known as "Ghost Guns" ?



What is new with the Biden admin? He left Billions in military equipment in Afghanistan. His son left guns laying around. Biden learned from the best, his bud Obama and the Fast and Furious fiasco and of course Benghazi...



This recent loss of equipment is just what happens. I wonder if Joe will get 10% kicked back to him?
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Old 07-21-2023, 04:42 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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US Weapons Sent to Ukraine "Stolen" by Criminal Groups
Pretty funny.
Aside from dramatic, drum pounding music and videos of 155MM artillery pieces and tanks, there was nothing of substance reported. Just... "weapons".
Reported by Hindustan Times as reported by CNN.


Anyone seen my Bradley?.... I've lost it!


We will send more. So will Canada, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, France, UK, Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands, Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Czech Republic, Croatia, Portugal, Greece, Italy, Spain, Israel, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Japan and some others. So there will be enough to go around.
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Old 07-21-2023, 04:49 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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A Pentagon official has said that weapons that the US sent to Ukraine weren't properly tracked and some were stolen by criminal groups.

Remember, Nigeria's president had said that US weapons, from Ukraine, were winding up in terrorist hands in Africa and being used to kill and terrorize innocent civilians.

In the past we have accidentally armed terrorists including ISIS by doing things like trying to help 'moderate Syrian rebels,' but one has to wonder if the US causes more instability around the world with these sorts of policies.
ROFLMAO....NOTHING is ever "properly tracked" by our government...NOTHING...not even the unaccompanied migrant kids. They lost 85,000 kids in the US never mind tracking weapons sent overseas.
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Old 07-21-2023, 05:44 PM
 
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Default US to give F-16s to Ukraine

John Kirby says that the US will give Ukraine F-16s towards the end of this year. Kirby also said that just giving them F-16s alone would not be enough to help Ukraine win - so expect more and more.

Recently, Biden just gave Ukraine cluster munitions, something that Biden once said should be illegal for the US to have and to give to other countries.

Biden once said giving Ukraine F-16s would provoke WW3, Putin said this would be a big escalation.

Where is the line with giving to Ukraine?
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Old 07-21-2023, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5hTm0M2FTw

A Pentagon official has said that weapons that the US sent to Ukraine weren't properly tracked and some were stolen by criminal groups.

Remember, Nigeria's president had said that US weapons, from Ukraine, were winding up in terrorist hands in Africa and being used to kill and terrorize innocent civilians.

In the past we have accidentally armed terrorists including ISIS by doing things like trying to help 'moderate Syrian rebels,' but one has to wonder if the US causes more instability around the world with these sorts of policies.
Your thread title is inaccurate.

The plots to steal the weaponry and equipment were disrupted by Ukraine’s intelligence services and it was ultimately recovered

And actually this is hard to follow and prove because the US Defense Department’s is unable to track and monitor all of the US equipment pouring into Ukraine.
According to the report, which examined the period of February-September 2022, the Office of Defense Cooperation-Kyiv “was unable to conduct required [end-use monitoring] of military equipment that the United States provided to Ukraine in FY 2022."

After October 2022 US resumed on-site inspections of Ukrainian weapons depots as a way to better track where the equipment was going. The department has also provided the Ukrainians with tracking systems, including scanners and software.
They are better tracked since.
The US government remains keenly aware of the risk of possible illicit diversion and is proactively taking steps to mitigate this risk in close cooperation with the government of Ukraine.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/polit...nry/index.html
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Old 07-21-2023, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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ROFLMAO....NOTHING is ever "properly tracked" by our government...NOTHING...not even the unaccompanied migrant kids. They lost 85,000 kids in the US never mind tracking weapons sent overseas.

Yeah. It seems that the US can only properly track all the cows that burp.

Not to mention that the federal government can’t account for $35 trillions and nobody cares.
No, that money didn't went to Ukraine.
As for now, the U.S. Congress have directed ~ $75 billion in assistance to Ukraine, which includes humanitarian, financial, and military support. Which sounds like pocket change compared to the trillions they lost... somewhere.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/penta...231154593.html

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Old 07-21-2023, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Just our government doing what it does best.
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