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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.64%
No 257 50.69%
Unsure 49 9.66%
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Old 01-27-2023, 05:43 PM
 
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Russia will win? LOL. Russia has already lost.
Their exports in oil are way down.
The sanctions are hurting.
They built 2 aircraft in the last year. The year before? 22. They lost 2 of them yesterday alone.
They're bringing in a ton of untrained folks for human wave attacks...that aren't that successful.
They're using missiles designed for aircraft carriers as their missile stocks drop.
etc etc etc.

Anyone seeing a path for Russia to win is missing some things. Ukraine is getting outside help thats modern and efficient. Russia is bringing in outside help as well. But nothing compared to Ukraine. Bradleys, Abrahms, challenger, and leopards are about to get involved. And thats just this week. who knows what will show up that isn't announced (not all countries announce). F-16s are gonna show up eventually. We allocated 100 million in training for them....6 months ago.

Will Russia take some ground? Absolutely. next month or two I expect Ukraine to lose some ground....and then to basically eat Russia alive. I don't think Russia understands how these will be used at all. Or that they are just the start. So I dont comprehend how people think Russia will win. They are outproduced in a peacetime effort by these countries. If Russia escalate enough to actually bring NATO in this is over faster.

If Russia uses Nukes-they lose. If they continue as things stand? They lose. What change is coming thats going to impact that?
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Old 01-27-2023, 06:09 PM
 
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People don’t understand at the start of the war Russia committed about 80% of the total boots on the ground they could muster across the whole country. There is no million man army waiting to march in.
They committed way too few at the start. That does not reflect the total capability.
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Old 01-27-2023, 06:23 PM
 
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Russia will win? LOL. Russia has already lost.
Their exports in oil are way down.
The sanctions are hurting.
They built 2 aircraft in the last year. The year before? 22. They lost 2 of them yesterday alone.
They're bringing in a ton of untrained folks for human wave attacks...that aren't that successful.
They're using missiles designed for aircraft carriers as their missile stocks drop.
etc etc etc.

Anyone seeing a path for Russia to win is missing some things. Ukraine is getting outside help thats modern and efficient. Russia is bringing in outside help as well. But nothing compared to Ukraine. Bradleys, Abrahms, challenger, and leopards are about to get involved. And thats just this week. who knows what will show up that isn't announced (not all countries announce). F-16s are gonna show up eventually. We allocated 100 million in training for them....6 months ago.

Will Russia take some ground? Absolutely. next month or two I expect Ukraine to lose some ground....and then to basically eat Russia alive. I don't think Russia understands how these will be used at all. Or that they are just the start. So I dont comprehend how people think Russia will win. They are outproduced in a peacetime effort by these countries. If Russia escalate enough to actually bring NATO in this is over faster.

If Russia uses Nukes-they lose. If they continue as things stand? They lose. What change is coming thats going to impact that?
It does appear that Putin is in a lose-lose dilemma. And one of his own making at that. Does he ever stop pondering his endgame?
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Old 01-27-2023, 07:38 PM
 
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Russia will win? LOL. Russia has already lost.
Their exports in oil are way down.
The sanctions are hurting.
They built 2 aircraft in the last year. The year before? 22. They lost 2 of them yesterday alone.
They're bringing in a ton of untrained folks for human wave attacks...that aren't that successful.
They're using missiles designed for aircraft carriers as their missile stocks drop.
etc etc etc.

Anyone seeing a path for Russia to win is missing some things. Ukraine is getting outside help thats modern and efficient. Russia is bringing in outside help as well. But nothing compared to Ukraine. Bradleys, Abrahms, challenger, and leopards are about to get involved. And thats just this week. who knows what will show up that isn't announced (not all countries announce). F-16s are gonna show up eventually. We allocated 100 million in training for them....6 months ago.

Will Russia take some ground? Absolutely. next month or two I expect Ukraine to lose some ground....and then to basically eat Russia alive. I don't think Russia understands how these will be used at all. Or that they are just the start. So I dont comprehend how people think Russia will win. They are outproduced in a peacetime effort by these countries. If Russia escalate enough to actually bring NATO in this is over faster.

If Russia uses Nukes-they lose. If they continue as things stand? They lose. What change is coming thats going to impact that?
You do realize that there is no scenario in which a war between NATO and Russia stays conventional?
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Old 01-27-2023, 07:47 PM
 
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You do realize that there is no scenario in which a war between NATO and Russia stays conventional?
Nonsense. As long as we dont invade their territory im not too worried about it. If they want to though? They have children they love too. So if they're willing to nuke people over a country THEY INVADED?

Lets kick it off now instead of waiting. Cause theres no point in the delay.
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Old 01-27-2023, 07:53 PM
 
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Nonsense. As long as we dont invade their territory im not too worried about it. If they want to though? They have children they love too. So if they're willing to nuke people over a country THEY INVADED?

Lets kick it off now instead of waiting. Cause theres no point in the delay.
Well, I wasn't sure what you meant by "bring NATO in"? Just in Ukraine?
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Old 01-27-2023, 08:22 PM
 
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You do realize that there is no scenario in which a war between NATO and Russia stays conventional?
You tell us. How suicidal are typical Russians? We assumed they have some humanity but you apparently disagree.
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Old 01-27-2023, 08:26 PM
 
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China and India are nuclear powers. They have border disputes and even fight each once in a while but they never threatened each other with nukes. They know nukes are the last resort. Deep down Russia knows this too.
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Old 01-27-2023, 08:33 PM
 
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You tell us. How suicidal are typical Russians? We assumed they have some humanity but you apparently disagree.
A couple of Rambos on this forum (who for some reason have not enlisted yet) suggested taking out decision making centers and sinking the Black sea fleet. You tell me what the outcome would be and if you want to test it.
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Old 01-27-2023, 08:56 PM
 
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A couple of Rambos on this forum (who for some reason have not enlisted yet) suggested taking out decision making centers and sinking the Black sea fleet. You tell me what the outcome would be and if you want to test it.
LOL. Ukraines going to do that eventually. And if Russia gave us a reason to sink that fleet...we would. They would go after us conventionally. NO ONE is going to break out nukes. You keep wanting to frighten us with it, and its just not happening.

This nuke nonsense is just that. Its a attempt to scare people. Without understanding that the constant threats? Make it so we dont believe them. Its more of the same Russian threats. And were obviously done with them.
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