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Originally Posted by TexianPatriot
I never thought I'd see the day. Tea Parties across the nation. The vast majority of Americans are still apathetic, but the movement towards revolution is growing. The whole AIG bonus payouts is a bunch of political grandstanding. The real money was slipped out the back door to AIG's counterparties. Some 70 billion gone to the surviving Ibanks and even European banks. Wake up people.
Why you ask? Because I just have too!
Ok I've read all of your posts thus far. Even tried to take your side or look at it from your point of view. You know what? I just couldn't do it, no matter how hard I tried and heres why...
For all the negative things you seem to see in this country, there are many more positives that out weigh them. Yeah our system isn't perfect, and yeah it needs some tweaking, but thats why we enacted the type of government we have. I'm curious about something. Are you actually reading what you are saying here?
Ok, I'm a Proud American Citizen. I've served Honorably, have a semi decent paying job, and I'm trying to get my kids through college. I'm not starving, my kids have decent healthcare (Yeah I pay out the wazoo for it, but they have it) and I drive two semi new vehicles. How is a revolt that you speak of going to benefit me? What if I choose not to participate in this so called up rising? Am I a traitor because I dont advocate violence? I have a hinting suspicion that as things progressd down the road you would take, anyone who disagreed with you would be treated as such or much worse. Seems to me that this scenario has played out several times throughout history. Nazi Germany ring a bell. What started as the uprising of the down trodden nearly became the demise of an entire race of people. You speak of taxes, of government intervention in your personal affairs, and how the system is out to get you. Then you arm yourself with some historical knowledge and start spewing your filth on the internet and hope someone sympathizes with you? I think they made Prozac for folks like you...the voices might stop, and the paranoia might subside a little enabling you to see a little more clearly.
Do we have those in power who abuse said power? Hell yeah we do. Is it right? No its not. Where we have the say so is at election time. You may not like it, and you may not even like the outcome of the election, but its as fair as any other system in the world and for the most part, it works.
So, if you really feel that an armed uprising is in the near future, I would suggest that you plan accordingly for those who will resist your violent and twisted ideologies. I guess you can throw me in that bracket, as I dont believe violence will accomplish anything but the loss of AMERICAN lives. Head on back to the hills fella, your wife, eight dogs, and fourteen children are waiting for ya!
You wouldnt by any chance support the confederate flag would you? I'm just askin!
I love Texas, but we have our share of loopy nut jobs down here as well.
Liike the terrosrst on 9-11;the people you have to woory about ain't talking and screaming about it.There have always been what is refer to as blowhard rantist threats.
Though it is pessimistic to assert that the U.S.A. is set to collapse, I can see no real alternative. The public debt is impossible to pay. Congress can't even pay the interest due. The taxpayers cannot suffer more burdens. The world economy is collapsing from usury and debt-credit and the money drought. The addiction to fossil fuels is holding us hostage. Trade is collapsing, which feeds back economic decline into each local economy. Warehouses are filled with unsold stock. As stocks are depleted, scarcity may exist until production is resumed - if ever.
A total collapse may be a blessing if the nation can throw off the mistakes and reconstitute under a more workable compact. Abolishment of the public debt is crucial as is abandonment of national socialism.
What should the survivors be mindful of?
All law is the protection of property rights, all else is policy, and policy requires consent.
Or as stated in the Declaration of Independence, government has two jobs :
(a) secure rights, and
(b) govern those who consent.
It is not wise to tax producers for the benefit of consumers. Nor can you expect prosperity by chaining labor and production with complex rules and regulations.
Government makes nothing but more government. Government gives nothing but that which was first taken from someone else. Restrict government authority and power to job #1 and #2 - secure rights and govern those who consent.
Reforms:
1. No usury should be protected by law.
2. Limited liability cannot be legalized.
Moral transactions involve two or more parties who exchange valuable goods or services, and are satisfied. Immoral transactions involve the loss by one or more parties for the benefit of the winner. Ergo, gambling is not 'entertainment' but merely a scheme to rob losers for the benefit of winners.
Money is a medium of exchange, an accounting symbol, and proportional to the marketplace filled with surplus usable goods and services. Anything taken from the marketplace to be used as a money token will invariably cause a mathematical paradox. Any money token that is independent of the marketplace will trigger inequity in trade.
In support of one's right to life, the primary tool is land. Upon land one finds his food, water, shelter, and all other necessities and luxuries. Even the sea rests upon land. Absolute ownership of land, and the right of the owner to exclude others, is the basis for civilization. Without land ownership, the farmer cannot reap his harvest, and the herdsman cannot claim his animals. The fruits of his labor would be taken by the strongest predatory person in his area.
Cooperation in defense of private property rights is the mechanism that converts weak individuals into awesome powerful nations. But one must be wary of attempts to use that powerful force in the pursuit of piracy, preying upon others.
Know the two forms of law.
The law of love is harmless activity in support of one's right to life.
The law of the jungle is harmful activity in support of one's right to life.
Under the law of love, producers are good, predators are bad.
Under the law of the jungle, predators are good, prey are good to eat, and prey who fight back are bad.
Though it is important for justice to be tempered with mercy, tolerance of predators is unmerciful to their next victim.
Before petroleum's rise, there were boats and railroads.
After petroleum's demise, there will be boats and electric railroads.
The survivors will need to rebuild navigable waterways and rail networks to efficiently move goods and services at the lowest consumption of fuel and resources.
Prosperity is not made by accumulating money tokens. Prosperity is the creation, trade, and transportation of useful goods and services, and the time to enjoy them. That is the best way for the most people to enjoy all the good things of life.
The pursuit of happiness is no guarantee of finding happiness. But society needs to redefine admirable success. The spoiled, rich, bored and helpless consumers are pitiful. Those who have prodigious talent, intelligence, creativity and output are most admirable.
Location: Wandering the halls aimlessly...Hello? Is anyone there?
307 posts, read 456,350 times
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics
Though it is pessimistic to assert that the U.S.A. is set to collapse, I can see no real alternative. The public debt is impossible to pay. Congress can't even pay the interest due. The taxpayers cannot suffer more burdens. The world economy is collapsing from usury and debt-credit and the money drought. The addiction to fossil fuels is holding us hostage. Trade is collapsing, which feeds back economic decline into each local economy. Warehouses are filled with unsold stock. As stocks are depleted, scarcity may exist until production is resumed - if ever.
A total collapse may be a blessing if the nation can throw off the mistakes and reconstitute under a more workable compact. Abolishment of the public debt is crucial as is abandonment of national socialism.
What should the survivors be mindful of?
All law is the protection of property rights, all else is policy, and policy requires consent.
Or as stated in the Declaration of Independence, government has two jobs :
(a) secure rights, and
(b) govern those who consent.
It is not wise to tax producers for the benefit of consumers. Nor can you expect prosperity by chaining labor and production with complex rules and regulations.
Government makes nothing but more government. Government gives nothing but that which was first taken from someone else. Restrict government authority and power to job #1 and #2 - secure rights and govern those who consent.
Reforms:
1. No usury should be protected by law.
2. Limited liability cannot be legalized.
Moral transactions involve two or more parties who exchange valuable goods or services, and are satisfied. Immoral transactions involve the loss by one or more parties for the benefit of the winner. Ergo, gambling is not 'entertainment' but merely a scheme to rob losers for the benefit of winners.
Money is a medium of exchange, an accounting symbol, and proportional to the marketplace filled with surplus usable goods and services. Anything taken from the marketplace to be used as a money token will invariably cause a mathematical paradox. Any money token that is independent of the marketplace will trigger inequity in trade.
In support of one's right to life, the primary tool is land. Upon land one finds his food, water, shelter, and all other necessities and luxuries. Even the sea rests upon land. Absolute ownership of land, and the right of the owner to exclude others, is the basis for civilization. Without land ownership, the farmer cannot reap his harvest, and the herdsman cannot claim his animals. The fruits of his labor would be taken by the strongest predatory person in his area.
Cooperation in defense of private property rights is the mechanism that converts weak individuals into awesome powerful nations. But one must be wary of attempts to use that powerful force in the pursuit of piracy, preying upon others.
Know the two forms of law.
The law of love is harmless activity in support of one's right to life.
The law of the jungle is harmful activity in support of one's right to life.
Under the law of love, producers are good, predators are bad.
Under the law of the jungle, predators are good, prey are good to eat, and prey who fight back are bad.
Though it is important for justice to be tempered with mercy, tolerance of predators is unmerciful to their next victim.
Before petroleum's rise, there were boats and railroads.
After petroleum's demise, there will be boats and electric railroads.
The survivors will need to rebuild navigable waterways and rail networks to efficiently move goods and services at the lowest consumption of fuel and resources.
Prosperity is not made by accumulating money tokens. Prosperity is the creation, trade, and transportation of useful goods and services, and the time to enjoy them. That is the best way for the most people to enjoy all the good things of life.
The pursuit of happiness is no guarantee of finding happiness. But society needs to redefine admirable success. The spoiled, rich, bored and helpless consumers are pitiful. Those who have prodigious talent, intelligence, creativity and output are most admirable.
I can only aspire to be as knowledgeable and well versed as you are....thanks for a refreshing perspective on the topic, and you did so without offending anyone. Bravo!
We need to have enough members of the military, militia and law enforcement, who feel like us, that our liberties have been eroded, to mount an armed revolution against this tyranny. It will come to an armed conflict simply because, our politicians are no longer doing the will of the people, nor are they abiding by the constitution, as written by the founding fathers. It is my opinion that we would need at least 50 million, well armed persons to accomplish this. We would also need some very sharp military minds who are very good in strategy and tactics! Are there any such individuals out there who believe it is high time to take back our freedoms! Mr. Ed
You volunteering for any of those positions, ed?
Or is it all talk and leave the action to others.
In the US, we vote.
The American people voted for Obama.
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