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Old 06-27-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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He wasn't on "duty" when he carried his gun. NW suggestions aren't law anyway. It is not a crime to carry a gun with a license.

Neighborhood watch groups: the eyes and ears of their communities, an integral aid to law enforcement | Ocala.com

Local neighborhood watch groups are cautious

Rules are clear; no weapons allowed


Most neighborhood watch groups feel a duty to protect. The volunteers who staff these groups have long been the eyes and ears of their communities and an integral aid to law enforcement.

The shooting death of unarmed Trayvon Martin, 17, by the leader of a Sanford neighborhood watch group is a case where the boundary between law enforcement and everyday citizen on patrol may have been overstepped.
As they monitor coverage of that case and the many investigations it has spawned, members of local neighborhood watch and community patrol groups in Ocala and Marion County reiterate a basic fact: Their role is to serve only as trusty sidekicks to the men and women who carry firearms and make arrests.
"We are basically the eyes and ears for the Sheriff's Office and act as a deterrent by having a presence on the streets of our neighborhood," said Gary Radoff, a member of the On Top of the World community patrol group.
Experts say George Zimmerman, the man who shot Martin, violated many policies and protocols that neighborhood watch members nationwide follow. The cardinal one: Don't carry a gun while on patrol.

 
Old 06-27-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Huh? ...and the defense hasn't mentioned any of this because??

What's a blunt? You mean a knife? Nothing of the sort was found on Trayvon's body.

EDIT: I just found it after searching online. "A cigar stuffed with marijuana." So you are saying two strangers bought some cigars and he just happened to know them, even though he lived over 250 miles from Sanford?

Okay, so where were these "blunts" when Martin was shot only minutes after the surveillance video? Why didn't the police find any of this "evidence" when they were on the scene? Why didn't Martin have enough THC in his blood that would prove he was high that night (not that marijuana makes people violent) Why hasn't the store clerk been called to testify? Maybe if the clerk did refuse to sell him something, it could have been a pack of cigarettes, since he was only 17. I've seen that happen a lot in stores. So what?

What you keep forgetting is that George Zimmerman is not a police officer, no matter how hard he tried to become one! Although I've heard nothing about these "two shady characters" before, how would GZ know about them? What's your point? In all these months I've never once read that Trayvon Martin knew anyone in the neighborhood. Why would Investigator Sereno call Trayvon "a good kid?" if there was a video showing him buying drugs and talking to drug dealers? Do you take medication for your hallucinations?
FYI, Trayvon could not buy blunts anyway, you have to be 18
 
Old 06-27-2012, 02:23 PM
 
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This mean exactly what? THC has been proven time and time again does not promote violent behavior so what is the point? Why is'nt the tox report on zimmerman being mentioned?.......Oh thats right THERE WAS"NT ONE! Pray tell why is that?
You can't use absence of tox report on GZ as evidence of guilt silly.

Anyway, pot makes people paranoid and weird. Don't believe everything you see in movies.
 
Old 06-27-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Neighborhood watch groups: the eyes and ears of their communities, an integral aid to law enforcement | Ocala.com


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Local neighborhood watch groups are cautious

Rules are clear; no weapons allowed

Ted Dietz, left, and Bill Doudna, both of Marion Landing Patrol, check in from the gate house before going on patrol in a neighborhood with a Marion County Sheriff's Office Crime Watch vehicle in the Marion Landing subdivision off State Road 200 in Ocala on Monday.
Buy Photo Bruce Ackerman/Ocala Star-Banner

By Vishal Persaud
Staff writer

Published: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 at 4:44 p.m.

Last Modified: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 at 4:44 p.m.


Most neighborhood watch groups feel a duty to protect. The volunteers who staff these groups have long been the eyes and ears of their communities and an integral aid to law enforcement.

The shooting death of unarmed Trayvon Martin, 17, by the leader of a Sanford neighborhood watch group is a case where the boundary between law enforcement and everyday citizen on patrol may have been overstepped.
As they monitor coverage of that case and the many investigations it has spawned, members of local neighborhood watch and community patrol groups in Ocala and Marion County reiterate a basic fact: Their role is to serve only as trusty sidekicks to the men and women who carry firearms and make arrests.
"We are basically the eyes and ears for the Sheriff's Office and act as a deterrent by having a presence on the streets of our neighborhood," said Gary Radoff, a member of the On Top of the World community patrol group.
Experts say George Zimmerman, the man who shot Martin, violated many policies and protocols that neighborhood watch members nationwide follow. The cardinal one: Don't carry a gun while on patrol.


But, but he said that he was on his way to Target and than he said that he forgot that he had a gun on him
 
Old 06-27-2012, 02:28 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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You can't use absence of tox report on GZ as evidence of guilt silly.

That was the point that I was trying to make, they had time to give him a polygraph but not a ten minute BAT, does'nt that seem odd to anyone?

Anyway, pot makes people paranoid and weird. Don't believe everything you see in movies.
So does the medication that zimmerman was on the night that he shot Trayvon. Oh, btw pot can make people paranoid and weird but that depends on the person and goes away if the person is a regular user (the paranoia).
 
Old 06-27-2012, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Just a reminder, George Zimmerman will be having another bail hearing this Friday. It will be interesting what the prosecution throws at the judge to deny bail. Unless his lawyer cancels the hearing again.
 
Old 06-27-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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According to the report, officials conducting the test asked Zimmerman these two questions:
Tester: "Did you confront the guy you shot?" Zimmerman: "No."
Tester: "Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy?" Zimmerman: "Yes."


The problem is that GZ actually should have confronted TM...with an introduction of who he was and why he was following him.

As for being in fear for his life...GZ's threshold of fear might have been low due to his usually being the one that was the agressor in previous incidences. He put himself in a situation that made another person feel threatened and had the tables turned on him as TM stood is ground.

Considering the fact that even a fool can fool a lie detector, which is the reason they are non admissable, these tests prove nada in this case.
So how would you know a fool could pass a lie detector test?
 
Old 06-27-2012, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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How convenient for Trayvon Martin that George Zimmerman was knocked down in such a perfect position as you above describe!
You're right; it defies science that he might fall on
his back and his head might be over the sidewalk.
 
Old 06-27-2012, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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So a video about 2 shady characters that the victim probably knew, although he was from Miami Gardens, a 250 mile drive, 4 hours (without traffic) isn't nonsense, even though it's only on right-wing blogs?

I guess all "thugs" know each other. I remember once when I was in Colorado, I told someone I was from Boston. Well, when she found out I was Jewish, she said "I bet you know Sarah Cohen" (not real name)
Sure, I did!
You're meandering and so far off the topic of what you quoted it's not even on the same planet.

Stay focused.
 
Old 06-27-2012, 02:48 PM
 
Location: US
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Amazing how things really go askew in here. (1) The marijuana found in Martin's body was so low, it did not affect his behavior, had obviously been there from many days before, would not benefit the defense or the prosecution if they bring it up, even if the Judge allows it.

". . .But Larry Kobilinsky, professor of forensic science at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, told the AP that the THC amount was so low that it may have been ingested days earlier and played no role in Martin's behavior. He doubts the judge will even let it be used by the defense if they try to introduce it at trial.

'This kind of level can be seen days after somebody smokes,' Kobilinsky told CBS News. 'If it comes up in the case, I would be surprised. It wouldn't benefit the defense, it wouldn't benefit the prosecution, and if the defense tried to bring it up, the judge would keep it out."

Trayvon Martin Shooting: New evidence shows wounds on Zimmerman's head, THC found in Martin's body - Crimesider - CBS News

(2) Nowhere has it been shown that Martin had anything in his possession other than some money, Skittles and Iced Tea. No blunts, no lighters, no traces of marijuana on his person. (3) Let me guess--the people Martin saw at the convenience store were "shady" because. . . . they were black and were wearing hoodies? Nice. (4) The Sanford police suggested Zimmerman be charged and deemed the shooting was "ultimately avoidable." (5) Zimmerman is giving inconsistent statements.

Do these things make it a slam dunk for the prosecution? No. But Zimmerman has problems, and to believe otherwise is an agenda.
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