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Old 05-10-2020, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Nope I don't. Even everyone's new hero Fauci as said masks are pointless. One month ago masks were unnecessary and now they are.

Cloth masks don't do anything but make you feel safer. If you feel safer good for you. I'm not stopping you from wearing one, but I'm not.
Cloth masks with a filter can provide 80% resistance to virus which isn't bad at all. You don't need 100% protection from a mask in order for it to protect you.
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Old 05-10-2020, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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Nope I don't. Even everyone's new hero Fauci as said masks are pointless. One month ago masks were unnecessary and now they are.

Cloth masks don't do anything but make you feel safer. If you feel safer good for you. I'm not stopping you from wearing one, but I'm not.

Why aren't you? State facts that counterbalance protecting the healthcare system, the economy, and others' lives. You must have a doozy of a rationale.
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Old 05-10-2020, 11:36 PM
 
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Cloth masks with a filter can provide 80% resistance to virus which isn't bad at all. You don't need 100% protection from a mask in order for it to protect you.
No, they don't. Even the N95 masks that medical personal use don't filter 80%. Your cloth mask is a bacteria trap. They are meant to be thrown away after use. People are reusing the same masks over and over again and then touching them, which completely defeats any purpose.
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Old 05-11-2020, 01:59 AM
 
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No, they don't. Even the N95 masks that medical personal use don't filter 80%. Your cloth mask is a bacteria trap. They are meant to be thrown away after use. People are reusing the same masks over and over again and then touching them, which completely defeats any purpose.
1) Viruses are typically spread via droplets, not as free-ranging bits of genetic code, so an N95 mask will generally exceed the 95% rating against droplets as they are magnitudes larger than .3 micrometers (overwhelmingly).

2) there is an array of sanitizing methods which sterilize an n95 ... at home ... with minimal to no degradation. Easily researched.

You sound like a contrarian looking to confirm your bias.
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Old 05-11-2020, 03:30 AM
 
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1) Viruses are typically spread via droplets, not as free-ranging bits of genetic code, so an N95 mask will generally exceed the 95% rating against droplets as they are magnitudes larger than .3 micrometers (overwhelmingly).

2) there is an array of sanitizing methods which sterilize an n95 ... at home ... with minimal to no degradation. Easily researched.

You sound like a contrarian looking to confirm your bias.
Brigham and Women’s reported that when they put masks on all the staff, it knocked the transmission rate in half. That’s cloth masks and surgical masks, not N95. Most of us aren’t in environments that severe so the results should be far better than that. Cloth masks, hand hygiene, and some basic separation probably do the trick to cut the transmission rate below 1.0.
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Old 05-11-2020, 03:50 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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1) Viruses are typically spread via droplets, not as free-ranging bits of genetic code, so an N95 mask will generally exceed the 95% rating against droplets as they are magnitudes larger than .3 micrometers (overwhelmingly).

2) there is an array of sanitizing methods which sterilize an n95 ... at home ... with minimal to no degradation. Easily researched.

You sound like a contrarian looking to confirm your bias.
It's odd how some people argue that if a mask doesn't provide a guarantee of safety, it's not worth it. Seat belts in a car, a helmet on a motorcycle, a PFD in a boat, smoke alarms and carbon monoxide alarms in your house, locked doors in your car, diversification in your investment portfolio, a mask in a deadly pandemic - none of these things provide a guarantee of safety. Yet they all provide significant protection against calamity.
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Old 05-11-2020, 04:52 AM
 
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Leave it to character-flawed, irresponsible people that use drugs/booze to give a helping hand to the Coronavirus:


May 6...Seoul lets the booze and drug businesses open
May 10...days later, Coronavirus 2ND Wave

10 May 2020:
"Seoul South Korea closes bars and clubs over fears of second COVID-19 wave

The jump in new infections comes as everyday life in South Korea has slowly started returning to normal, with the government relaxing social distancing rules last Wednesday"
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...-wave-12718600

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Old 05-11-2020, 05:00 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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It's odd how some people argue that if a mask doesn't provide a guarantee of safety, it's not worth it. Seat belts in a car, a helmet on a motorcycle, a PFD in a boat, smoke alarms and carbon monoxide alarms in your house, locked doors in your car, diversification in your investment portfolio, a mask in a deadly pandemic - none of these things provide a guarantee of safety. Yet they all provide significant protection against calamity.
A lot of these types are also against helmet laws, etc. Same mentality. Freedom isn't free, rah rah rah.
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Old 05-11-2020, 05:13 AM
 
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No, they don't. Even the N95 masks that medical personal use don't filter 80%. Your cloth mask is a bacteria trap. They are meant to be thrown away after use. People are reusing the same masks over and over again and then touching them, which completely defeats any purpose.
My cloth mask keeps slipping down my face.

Unless you have an N95 you're just fooling yourself. I only wear mine so I won't get lynched in public.

What a great way for the virtue signalers now to know who to attack.
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Old 05-11-2020, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Westwood, MA
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A lot of these types are also against helmet laws, etc. Same mentality. Freedom isn't free, rah rah rah.
I think if you're being generous you would say that their personal risk/annoyance tolerance is different than yours. They would rather take the increased risk of a small-probability event over the definite discomfort of whatever safety measure they choose to ignore. I'm exceedingly risk averse so I don't agree with their conclusion (and suspect they might not fully understand the risk).

The issue with the masks is that indications are 1) there are a lot of asymptotic carriers and 2) masks do a better job of protecting others from you than they do protect you from others. Again, I'm not aware of any peer-reviewed study on either point for COVID-19, but that is what is being explained. Not wearing a mask and going to crowded places is a different sort of choice, more about others safety than your own.

Last edited by jayrandom; 05-11-2020 at 06:32 AM.. Reason: Said the exact opposite of what I meant
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