Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Cambridge: hair salon, trailer, dryers)

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by bohemka

It would just be easier if you self-actualized and moved to Mississippi.





No, the second wave is going to be catastrophic. If you remove NYC's data, the rest of the US is still on its way up (check out Illinois), not down, so reopening things (which has already started) is going to be a disaster.

wait what? what stats are you using? All the stats I've seen are an unmistakable downturn. Can you post what you're looking at?

[jks1985]

Lots of fear in this thread.
How about you guys who are afraid of catching the sniffles just stay inside and self-quarantine?
Masks are not proven to work. In many cases, they cause more harm than good.

Social distancing isn't proven to work either.
Funny how "flatten the curve" and "slow the spread" just moved to never ending govt overreach and medical tyranny with no end goal.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by jks1985

Lots of fear in this thread.
How about you guys who are afraid of catching the sniffles just stay inside and self-quarantine?
Masks are not proven to work. In many cases, they cause more harm than good.

Social distancing isn't proven to work either.
Funny how "flatten the curve" and "slow the spread" just moved to never ending govt overreach and medical tyranny with no end goal.

Please substantiate those claims, which fly in the face of all the scientific, refereed papers in circulation.

[Urban Peasant]

Originally Posted by jks1985

Lots of fear in this thread.
How about you guys who are afraid of catching the sniffles just stay inside and self-quarantine?
Masks are not proven to work. In many cases, they cause more harm than good.

Social distancing isn't proven to work either.
Funny how "flatten the curve" and "slow the spread" just moved to never ending govt overreach and medical tyranny with no end goal.

It's only been two months and people like you are the ones freaking out. Government overreach whatever! I suppose you have a better way of solving this issue.

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

wait what? what stats are you using? All the stats I've seen are an unmistakable downturn. Can you post what you're looking at?

I use this site.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

NY has a strong downturn, but it does seem some of the other states look flat or are still increasing. Granted, their total numbers are far smaller than NY or MA.

Worldmeters has partial data.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

CA is one to look at. If you look at the daily cases, it's still going up.


I'm not making any sort of claim as to the general direction US cases are going, but simply still watching data.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

I use this site.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

His claim is not that far off. NY has a strong downturn, but some of the other states look flat or are still increasing. Granted, their total numbers are far smaller than NY or MA.

Worldmeters has partial data.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

CA is one to look at. If you look at the daily cases, it's still going up.


I'm not making any sort of claim as to the general direction US cases are going, but simply still watching data.

Perhaps the difference is that I am really looking mostly at deaths, because cases increase as testing increases, so I find it to be not a good metric.

The spikes I see in deaths in various states "after opening up" would have been from hospitalizations that took place before the openings, and declines from those spikes the longer we have gone on thus far.

I like Washington Post for the data. They use per capita and very easy to switch between states. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...-cases-deaths/

[bohemka]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Perhaps the difference is that I am really looking mostly at deaths, because cases increase as testing increases, so I find it to be not a good metric.

The spikes I see in deaths in various states "after opening up" would have been from hospitalizations that took place before the openings, and declines from those spikes the longer we have gone on thus far.

I like Washington Post for the data. They use per capita and very easy to switch between states. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...-cases-deaths/

But deaths don't really suggest where we'll be in three weeks, which is when people exposed to COVID-19 today will die. I mostly check the Johns Hopkins University dashboard, but I did see a graph yesterday that showed US data with NYC removed. I'll try to find it. But still, here's JHU's new-case chart for Illinois. Not good for a state that has been practicing social distancing and wearing masks for more than a month.

[yesmaybe]

Even deaths isn't that great of a metric since I'm sure they are counting anyone who dies after testing positive regardless of reason.

[porterhouse]

Originally Posted by bohemka

here's JHU's new-case chart for Illinois.

It's easy to cherry pick data and make it fit the narrative with which you are most comfortable

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by bohemka

But deaths don't really suggest where we'll be in three weeks, which is when people exposed to COVID-19 today will die. I mostly check the Johns Hopkins University dashboard, but I did see a graph yesterday that showed US data with NYC removed. I'll try to find it. But still, here's JHU's new-case chart for Illinois. Not good for a state that has been practicing social distancing and wearing masks for more than a month.

Isn't that why the commonwealth of MA is looking at new hospitalizations per day, and the trend in total currently hospitalized, as the key metric as to how this is going?