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Old 07-18-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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But we are not taking about the borough's downtown, we are talking about NYC's downtown. Dozens of pages have been spent trying to define what that is in the context of this thread and most people have agreed that "NYC downtown", for purposes of this thread, means either city center or central business district. Those are not identical concepts but in both cases its more than merely "Downtown Manhattan".
When you say "Downtown Manhattan" you are saying this > Downtown Alliance - Lower Manhattan.

Also Midtown and Downtown are two different CBDs in Manhattan. Now if you say "The City" then I would think Manhattan.


Manhattan is loosely divided into Downtown (Lower Manhattan), Midtown (Midtown Manhattan), and Uptown (Upper Manhattan) source: Manhattan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Overall, Manhattan can be divided into three geographic regions: "Uptown", Midtown, and "Downtown". source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midtown_Manhattan

It didn't say Manhattan was Downtown NYC.

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Old 07-18-2013, 01:56 PM
 
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When you say "Downtown Manhattan" you are saying this > Downtown Alliance - Lower Manhattan.

Also Midtown and Downtown are two different CBDs in Manhattan. Now if you say "The City" then I would think Manhattan.


Manhattan is loosely divided into Downtown (Lower Manhattan), Midtown (Midtown Manhattan), and Uptown (Upper Manhattan) source: Manhattan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Overall, Manhattan can be divided into three geographic regions: "Uptown", Midtown, and "Downtown". source: Midtown Manhattan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Why do you keep saying things that everyone already knows? Everyone knows that Manhattan has a Downtown, Midtown and Uptown. That's not what this thread is about. Let me repeat it: that's not what this thread is about! This thread is about comparing the aesthetics of Downtown Chicago - however you wanna define it -- and its equivalent in NYC. Now, most people agree that the NYC equivent of Downtown Chicago is Manhattan south of 59th street or somewhere between 96th and 125th street. You can keep disagreeing but you will be in the minority of 1.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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Now, most people agree that the NYC equivent of Downtown Chicago is Manhattan south of 59th street or somewhere between 96th and 125th street.
Okay, then if we are talking about the NYC equivalent of downtown Chicago I will agree. Something like this?

 
Old 07-18-2013, 02:43 PM
 
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When you say "Downtown Manhattan" you are saying this > Downtown Alliance - Lower Manhattan.
No, you don't get it.

The Downtown Alliance is a Business Improvement District covering Lower Manhattan. It covers only a small part of Downtown, which is south of 14th Street.

But if you want to compare downtowns across cities, you would start with Midtown Manhattan. That's the city core, like the Loop in Chicago, or Downtown SF, or wherever.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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When you say "Downtown Manhattan" you are saying this > Downtown Alliance - Lower Manhattan.

Also Midtown and Downtown are two different CBDs in Manhattan. Now if you say "The City" then I would think Manhattan.


Manhattan is loosely divided into Downtown (Lower Manhattan), Midtown (Midtown Manhattan), and Uptown (Upper Manhattan) source: Manhattan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Overall, Manhattan can be divided into three geographic regions: "Uptown", Midtown, and "Downtown". source: Midtown Manhattan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It didn't say Manhattan was Downtown NYC.
Jesus. How do you still not comprehend this notion?
 
Old 07-18-2013, 03:03 PM
 
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No, you don't get it.

The Downtown Alliance is a Business Improvement District covering Lower Manhattan. It covers only a small part of Downtown, which is south of 14th Street.

But if you want to compare downtowns across cities, you would start with Midtown Manhattan. That's the city core, like the Loop in Chicago, or Downtown SF, or wherever.
There's no city in the country with a CBD in comparable size of Midtown. Midtown is obviously larger than the Loop in Chicago. That's common knowledge.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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So you guys are suggesting that we start with the largest CBDs of both cities?
 
Old 07-18-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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I'll say it once again.

Midtown counts as "downtown" for Manhattan regardless of it being called Midtown. New York (Manhattan) is unique in this aspect that it essentially has two "downtowns" as large as it does. It's the only city in the U.S. that is like that. Traditionally speaking other cities have "midtowns" but it's really not the same for New York.

Midtown Manhattan
Downtown Chicago (Loop & River North)
Downtown Manhattan

I can also understand if someone were to combine both Midtown and Downtown Manhattan into one whole thing. Honestly, anything south of Harlem to me is considered "downtown" in NYC anyway.

Brooklyn has it's own Downtown which is building up, but of course it's not on the same level as some of these other major cities.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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I'll say it once again.

Midtown counts as "downtown" for Manhattan regardless of it being called Midtown. New York (Manhattan) is unique in this aspect that it essentially has two "downtowns" as large as it does. It's the only city in the U.S. that is like that. Traditionally speaking other cities have "midtowns" but it's really not the same for New York.

Midtown Manhattan
Downtown Chicago (Loop & River North)
Downtown Manhattan

I can also understand if someone were to combine both Midtown and Downtown Manhattan into one whole thing. Honestly, anything south of Harlem to me is considered "downtown" in NYC anyway.

Brooklyn has it's own Downtown which is building up, but of course it's not on the same level as some of these other major cities.
We are just going to have to disagree. Midtown is "midtown" and Downtown is "downtown". Manhattan's "downtown" is in the lower area location of the borough. Midtown is more towards the middle which is why it's called Midtown.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 04:14 PM
 
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We are just going to have to disagree. Midtown is "midtown" and Downtown is "downtown". Manhattan's "downtown" is in the lower area location of the borough. Midtown is more towards the middle which is why it's called Midtown.
I hope you are just trolling at this point.
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