who has a better downtown newyork or chicago (largest, place, America)
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Everything to left of the line is officially part of the CBD. Everything to the right is NOT. However, they are both considered part of downtown. So when those stats are made, it is only taking into consideration everything that is to the left but not counting on what's to the right.
Everything to left of the line is officially part of the CBD. Everything to the right is NOT. However, they are both considered part of downtown. So when those stats are made, it is only taking into consideration everything that is to the left but not counting on what's to the right.
Chicago Loop (just to the left of diagram): 385k jobs, 1 square mile
Chicago "CBD+" (all of the picture): 592k jobs, 6 square miles
NYC Downtown Core (south of Canal St?): 340k jobs, 0.8 square miles [probably slight decrease post 9/11, WTC had 50k jobs, and some office got converted to residential]
NYC Midtown Core: 739k jobs, 1.2 square miles
NYC Core (Manhattan south of 59th street): 1967k jobs, 8.9 square miles
Everything to left of the line is officially part of the CBD. Everything to the right is NOT. However, they are both considered part of downtown. So when those stats are made, it is only taking into consideration everything that is to the left but not counting on what's to the right.
How do you know this? Just because they call it CBD doesn't mean they are only looking at the Loop. The Loop alone does not have 541k jobs.
Chicago Loop (just to the left of diagram): 385k jobs, 1 square mile
Chicago "CBD+" (all of the picture): 592k jobs, 6 square miles
NYC Downtown Core (south of Canal St?): 340k jobs, 0.8 square miles [probably slight decrease post 9/11, WTC had 50k jobs, and some office got converted to residential]
NYC Midtown Core: 739k jobs, 1.2 square miles
NYC Core (Manhattan south of 59th street): 1967k jobs, 8.9 square miles
DC CBD: 317k jobs, 1.8 square miles
That is was trying to get at. CBD to CBD ok, DC and Chicago are more comparable. However in regards to what is considered "downtown" Chicago (as this thread is about) it is significantly bigger than D.C.'s downtown.
How do you know this? Just because they call it CBD doesn't mean they are only looking at the Loop. The Loop alone does not have 541k jobs.
Trust me I worked in Urban Planning here in the city. When stats for something give for the CBD it is only the Loop. What's north of the river is not CBD.
Not in New York City. Even elsewhere, a CBD sounds more strictly defined than a downtown, which can have more mixed use parts.
Right. In the CBD it's where the majority of the offices and corporations are located. Headquarters for United Airlines, Leo Burnett, city government, etc, are all in the CBD.
Everything north of the river that is part of downtown? Mostly hotels, stores, restaurants, condos, tourist attractions etc. While there are plenty of offices north of the river in downtown of Chicago, if I had to guesstimate, it probably only makes up about 25% of the office space in of downtown. Now the Loop (what is considered the CBD) makes up like 75% of of the office space for downtown. So there is a difference.
Trust me I worked in Urban Planning here in the city. When stats for something give for the CBD it is only the Loop. What's north of the river is not CBD.
What stats are you talking about though? The stats linked earlier by Nei showing 500k+ jobs for "Chicago CBD" were taking in more than the Loop. As Nei subsequently illustrated the Loop alone has less than 400k jobs.
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