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Old 07-18-2013, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Broward County Florida
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Dearest flotard,


Somewhere in your incoherent rambling, did it ever occur to you that LINative may be much older than the hipsters that mostly occupy the areas around downtown Brooklyn today? When you ask a 20 year old in Crown Heights about "downtown", you might have to clarify, but if youre older, say 40s, 50s, even 60s, and you talk about going "downtown", 10/10 times its Lower Manhattan.
Are you saying that downtown Brooklyn did not exist 50 years ago? Lol

 
Old 07-18-2013, 06:18 PM
 
Location: New York
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Are you saying that downtown Brooklyn did not exist 50 years ago? Lol

Are you saying it was anywhere near as prominent as it is today?............."Lol"


My family came Upstate from Brooklyn. The strong identity of the borough has always been there, and IMO no stronger then than it is today. Possibly even stronger today I would argue.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 06:22 PM
 
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Are you saying it was anywhere near as prominent as it is today?............."Lol"
It was always referred to as downtown and acknowledged as such. Only 120 years ago Brooklyn was a separate city.
 
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Are you saying that downtown Brooklyn did not exist 50 years ago? Lol
Downtown Brooklyn was likely in better shape 50 years ago, 100 years much more so. It slowly lost ground to Manhattan with the advent of the subway, then with a general postwar decline of much of Brooklyn it became grittier and lower end.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 06:26 PM
 
Location: New York
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It was always referred to as downtown and acknowledged as such. Only 120 years ago Brooklyn was a separate city.

You think we all, on a city-data forum that specializes in city demographics, dont know these things?


What are you gonna tell us next? Birds and the bees?
 
Old 07-18-2013, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Broward County Florida
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Downtown Brooklyn was likely in better shape 50 years ago, 100 years much more so. It slowly lost ground to Manhattan with the advent of the subway, then with a general postwar decline of much of Brooklyn it became grittier and lower end.
Exactly. While to someone from Astoria or middle village it may be a foreign concept there is more than one downtown in NYC and that's one of many reasons why defining NYC's downtown as downtown manhattan is wrong and misleading.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 06:32 PM
 
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Exactly. While to someone from Astoria or middle village it may be a foreign concept there is more than one downtown in NYC and that's one of many reasons why defining NYC's downtown as downtown manhattan is wrong and misleading.

Downtown Manhattan is where the term originated in the early 1800s. Everything in the city went from there. Even for all downtowns across the country thereafter.

It still is the downtown for NYC.
 
Old 07-18-2013, 06:34 PM
 
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You think we all, on a city-data forum that specializes in city demographics, dont know these things?


What are you gonna tell us next? Birds and the bees?
Nobody mentioned demographics here, you may want to look up this word in dictionary, but since "your family moved upstate from Brooklyn" you are clearly qualified as an expert on all aspects of modern urbanity and New York City in particular. Lol
 
Old 07-18-2013, 06:36 PM
 
Location: New York
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Nobody mentioned demographics here, you may want to look up this word in dictionary, but since "your family moved upstate from Brooklyn" you are clearly qualified as an expert on all aspects of modern urbanity and New York City in particular. Lol

Um, I lived in Lefferts Gardens, Brooklyn from 2005-2011.


Im just going to ignore Broward county though...
 
Old 07-18-2013, 06:42 PM
 
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Downtown Manhattan is where the term originated in the early 1800s. Everything in the city went from there. Even for all downtowns across the country thereafter.

It still is the downtown for NYC.
Really? Nothing has changed in Manhattan within the past 200 years? Lol. FYI: 200 years ago there were farms in Manhattan anywhere north of Houston street:

Online, Exploring a Manhattan Dotted With Farms - NYTimes.com


Do you think this naming convention is still valid 200 years later? Downtown Manhattan is only downtown manhattan by name as Midtown is more densely populated and contains a larger business district than downtown manhattan. The farms above 14th street are mostly gone, you know... Lol

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