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Structural density yes! How do you account for the greater number of buildings and the gigantic amount of office space? Break it down for me.
How do you not understand this? This truly baffles me. First, DC has the presence of the US GOVERNMENT. Of course you are going to have more office space, that is purely moronic for anyone who doesn't understand that. Second, DC HAS A HEIGHT LIMIT!!!!! Once again what do you not understand about this? If you have a height limit you are bound to have more buildings. Philadelphia got rid of it's height limit and we have a significant number of higher buildings now. If all of these buildings in Philly were split into 200 foot buildings, we would probably have close or equal to the amount of 200 foot buildings that DC has. How do you not understand this?
Comcast Center- 975 feet= four to five 200 foot buildings
One Liberty Place- 945 feet- four to five 200 foot building
Two Liberty Place- 848 feet- four 200 foot buildings
BNY Mellon Center- 792 feet- four 200 foot buildings
Three Logan Square- 739 feet- three to four 200 foot buildings
Independence Blue Cross Building- 625 feet- three 200 foot buildings
One Commerce Square- 565 feet- three 200 foot buildings
Two Commerce Square- 565 feet- three 200 foot buildings
etc.
etc.
etc.
Structural density yes! How do you account for the greater number of buildings and the gigantic amount of office space? Break it down for me.
Why are you still arguing with them? Let them stay in their city and we will stay in ours. We like D.C. for the same reason's most of it's residents like D.C. It's amazing when people talk about transplants because they are by far outnumbered in D.C. proper by it residents which are mainly African American making up 50% of the population. We know all about it's music and style. We know the lingo and the culture. You don't need to explain why you love D.C. to them. They don't know the same city you do. Even Kidphilly who has lived here doesn't know the same city you do. The things people value in life are all subjective. I wonder if KidPhilly has ever been to open mic night at Busboy's and Poets in D.C.? People come from as far as NYC to experience Busboy's and Poets. We value a different lifestyle. You're wasting your time man. Let it go....
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How do you not understand this? This truly baffles me. First, DC has the presence of the US GOVERNMENT. Of course you are going to have more office space, that is purely moronic for anyone who doesn't understand that. Second, DC HAS A HEIGHT LIMIT!!!!! Once again what do you not understand about this? If you have a height limit you are bound to have more buildings. Philadelphia got rid of it's height limit and we have a significant number of higher buildings now. If all of these buildings in Philly were split into 200 foot buildings, we would probably have close or equal to the amount of 200 foot buildings that DC has. How do you not understand this?
Comcast Center- 975 feet= four to five 200 foot buildings
One Liberty Place- 945 feet- four to five 200 foot building
Two Liberty Place- 848 feet- four 200 foot buildings
BNY Mellon Center- 792 feet- four 200 foot buildings
Three Logan Square- 739 feet- three to four 200 foot buildings
Independence Blue Cross Building- 625 feet- three 200 foot buildings
One Commerce Square- 565 feet- three 200 foot buildings
Two Commerce Square- 565 feet- three 200 foot buildings
etc.
etc.
etc.
Get it?
This post is a comedic contradiction. On one point, you concede that DC has more buildings hence more office space and then you attempt to divide your skyscrapers into multiple buildings to prove that Philly would have a similar amount of buildings. WTF? An 800 foot building divided into four buildings equalling 200 feet a piece has the same amount of office space. So you would have more buildings but the office space would stay the same.
This post is a comedic contradiction. On one point, you concede that DC has more buildings hence more office space and then you attempt to divide your skyscrapers into multiple buildings to prove that Philly would have a similar amount of buildings. WTF? An 800 foot building divided into four buildings equalling 200 feet a piece has the same amount of office space. So you would have more buildings but the office space would stay the same.
This doesn't have to be done with just office buildings. Residential buildings and hotels as well an be split into smaller towers. Calculating office spae is not a good way to determine how many high rises your city has. You're leaving out residential/hotel and government buildings/courts. The buildings I listed just happened to mostly be offices buildings because they are our tallest buildings. I wasn't going to go through the entire list and name every building taller than 200 feet that could be split into multiple buildings. And see that's the thing. DC has ONE building at 315 feet and ONE building at 210 feet. I'll even give you the metro center even though it is 199 feet. So you have THREE buildings at 200 feet or higher. The rest are below 200 feet. I'll even add the capitol building in. So you have FOUR buildings above 200 feet. There is no way I'm adding the Washington monument and churches to this list though.
Philadelphia on the other hand. We have two buildings above 900 feet. one is 25 feet away from being 1,000 feet. Comcast Center. We have 14 buildings above 500 feet. 16 buildings above 400-499 feet. 37 buildings from 300-399 feet. Shall I proceed?
Not to mention we are building a new Residential building over 400 feet tall. A 312 foot building. About 7 buildings in the 200 foot range. About 10 buildings in the 100 foot range. With more proposed including a 600 foot Cira Center South and several buildings which have been announced but no renders or plans have been released to the public yet. Not to mention the dozens of proposals on hold which are starting to thaw out and return due to the better market conditions.
DC may be building more... but Philadelphia is building higher and will always have a height advantage on DC no matter how many buildings you include.
Oh and last... don't use Emporis and try to pass it off as fact. Everyone who is anyone and knows anything about development knows Emporis is ridiculously incomplete for every city. I could name a ton of buildings not on Emporis' website in Philly
Do we all agree that DC's downtown is a forced,homogenized Ivory Castle. A gift from all of us, the US taxpayer?
Likewise Do we all agree that Philadelphia and Boston's downtowns are organic,, thriving residential, cultural, and commercial meccas that evolved over centuries?
Do we all agree that DC's downtown is a forced,homogenized Ivory Castle. A gift from all of us, the US taxpayer?
Likewise Do we all agree that Philadelphia and Boston's downtowns are organic,, thriving residential, cultural, and commercial meccas that evolved over centuries?
How is DT DC forced? It's completely built out. Tysons Corner is forced. DT DC has evolved over the years. You can walk two miles east to west through DT DC and not see a break in development. I agree that DT Philly is a thriving residential neighborhood, something that DC only has pockets of for now. As for cultural amenities, DC has Philly beat by a long shot. There are too many things to do and see in DT DC.
How is DT DC forced? It's completely built out. Tysons Corner is forced. DT DC has evolved over the years. You can walk two miles east to west through DT DC and not see a break in development. I agree that DT Philly is a thriving residential neighborhood, something that DC only has pockets of for now. As for cultural amenities, DC has Philly beat by a long shot. There are too many things to do and see in DT DC.
Really?
Museums yes other aspects absolutely not and long shot is not great language IMHO
As for cultural amenities, DC has Philly beat by a long shot. There are too many things to do and see in DT DC.
I don't think anyone has any contention with the fact that DC is a cultural powerhouse overall, but in terms of their location, they're just not as concentrated as Philadelphia's. In the approximately 2 square mile area of Center City Philadelphia, there are hundreds of cultural venues.
In fact, this report by Center City District rates each top US downtown by "number of non-profits arts and cultural organizations by square mile." There's 80 psm in Philadelphia, which compares to 64 psm in DC (see p. 32). Both are pretty impressive, but again, Philadelphia definitely has the edge as far as downtown venues:
As for cultural amenities, DC has Philly beat by a long shot. There are too many things to do and see in DT DC.
Philadelphia Orchestra > National Symphony
Pennsylvania Ballet > Washington Ballet
Kimmel Center > Kennedy Center
Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts > ?????????
Reading Terminal > Reagan Building Food Court
Bethel A.M.E. Church > ???????????
Philly Chinatown > Gallery Place
CAPA/Masterman/Roman/Friends Select > School Without Walls/Gonzaga
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