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Investment goes where people will pay for it; there are still vast wastelands in DC that are not getting investment because people wont make money; even in the massively subdized DC
The ONLY reason DC is changing now is not because of some utopian socialist gift of god it is because the Govt growth vastly out of control provided the stimulas for the funds to do so; not all cities can write blank checks to artificaially produce growth in a local economy. If you believe that what is happening in these nabes in DC is goodwill to humanity and the cause wake up MD, seriously
No, I'm saying Philadelphia and every other city needs to pass the same laws requiring affordable housing to be included in places like Center City. And yes you are right, developers usually have to be enticed by massive incentives to build in area's where black people live.
Wait so MD Allstar let me get this right? Center City is the only part of the city growing in population? What are you talking about. You will say anything to try to prove DC is better than Philly but it's not. Philly is miles ahead of DC in every category except for government presence, which isn't a good thing. I prove you wrong with every single damn thing you say and you instantly change the topic. It's really quite annoying.
DC is seeing an explosion of growth right now which means it will flatline within a few years... probably before the 2020 census. If you think cities continue to grow at a quick pace uninterrupted continuously that isn't NYC then you have no idea what you are talking about.
Philly is growing at a much slower rate, which means it's growth will last much much longer. Not to mention Philadelphia is a MUCH larger city than DC both population and square mileage wise and can handle much larger growth. DC can probably hold about 1 million population MAX with your height limit and that would probably be ridiculously over crowded. Philly can easily handle 3 million population without overcrowding.
Philadelphia is predicted to add 100,000 more people to the city by 2020 and 400,000 more to the metro by 2020. I don't think you understand this. DC has a lower population number, so if you add 100,000 people, that would be about a 16% increase... if Philly adds 100,000 people, than that would be a .6% increase. Get it? While it looks like DC is growing faster on paper, that is really not the case. If they both add 100,000 people, the percentage of growth is going to look smaller for Philly because we have 1 million more people living in the city.
And once again, you are discrediting both the amount of construction going on in Philly and the amount of Urban renewal going on in Philly. You say North Philly is filled with dangerous neighborhoods, I prove you wrong and show you that Lower North Philly is gentrifying at a rapid rate and show you neighborhoods that have been revitalized or are being revitalized and you say, "well are they allowing low income people to live in those new plush neighborhoods?"
What is wrong with you? I'm not discrediting DC and I agree it is growing fast but man, DC isn't the only city in the entire world growing. It is not the only city in the entire world seeing a boom in construction. You really need to get out more and experience some other places outside of DC.
Oh and BTW, Philly just went through a large construction boom that ended in 2009 and we are just starting to enter another construction boom. Things in Philly are much more paced and a lot slower which is why the growth in Philly will outlast the growth and boom in DC. Also, yes maybe next year will see growth and a lot of construction, maybe the year after that too. But DC's growth and construction boom won't last much longer. So it enjoy it while you can.
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No, I'm saying Philadelphia and every other city needs to pass the same laws requiring affordable housing to be included in places like Center City. And yes you are right, developers usually have to be forced to build in area's where black people live.
IDK about you, but if I have a 2.5 million dollar rowhome in Philly, I do not want someone on a low income in affordable housing living right next door. No offense, but I would not want future blight and crime to litter my neighborhood. You can't even tell me that someone living in affordable housing right next to a 2.5 million dollar house won't cause some trouble. And affordable housing in an expensive neighborhood decreases property values.
The point is, we are trying to fix centuries of persecution and inequality. Who do you think created the problems African American's have in this country to begin with? Do you really think African American's would be fighting being a permanent underclass in this country if African American's 300 years ago had been educated and been able to compete for the same jobs in this country as their country men? It's hilarious how some people love to forget that history is a chain reaction. For you to say the government shouldn't fix their own problem's they created makes no since. It's their fault we are even having this conversation to begin with.
There is no simple solution sadly and none thus far have been perfect for any group relegated to neighbrhoods with high crime and poor education. Good dollars after bad have been spent without fining any perfect solution. That said at some point each individual and family needs to take individual accountability; reliance on any outside is inperfect and non garenteed.
History is inperfect on many levels but at the end of the day each person must take sole responsibility for themeselves and their actions or lack there of whetever that may be
My point is that people in Philadelphia act like there is an imaginary line around Center City when people talk on this site about Philly and it's sickening. I was talking about the real Phiily. The Philly my family living in the city talk about. The anger residents have as investment goes into Center City or University City an bypasses the neighborhoods that need it. But what else is new in this country. It's been happening like this forever. Food deserts etc. etc. you name it. D.C. is making sure they focus on development in area's that need it by forcing development there. Can you say the same for Philadelphia?
Once again you do not know what you are talking about. Philadelphia is currently releasing a series of comprehensive plans that will spur development in areas of the city that need it. Places like Mantua in West Philadelphia will be getting their first grocery story in almost 50 years. Temple University just built a fresh grocer in the "Templetown/Yorktown neighborhood" which is an area that was troubled just a few years ago and now they have a grocery store, a movie theater, increased police presence and other shopping options and restaurant options they weren't hear nearly 10 years ago. Sure there are areas where people on a low income are being priced out of neighborhood, but then their are areas where the Nutter Administration is adding services to those on a low income and adding new charter schools and new trade schools and grocery stores and building new developments and replacing outdated projects all for people on a low income that otherwise would have no chance to succeed. Why do you think DC is so magical? DC should be the perfect city because THE GOVERNMENT IS HEADQUARTERED IN YOUR CITY, however, DC is a very troubled city with a lot of problems when it shouldn't be. To say any major city doesn't have problems is just a falsity. You must be sheltered by mommy and daddy and haven't gotten out there yet to see the real DC.
There is no simple solution sadly and none thus far have been perfect for any group relegated to neighbrhoods with high crime and poor education. Good dollars after bad have been spent without fining any perfect solution. That said at some point each individual and family needs to take individual accountability; reliance on any outside is inperfect and non garenteed.
History is inperfect on many levels but at the end of the day each person must take sole responsibility for themeselves and their actions or lack there of whetever that may be
Which is true. Couple things though...
It took 400 years for African American's to get in this situation when they were enslaved and dragged here, then freed and persecuted, then stripped and separated that I hope you don't think the last 40 years from the late 1960's till now is going to undue the 400 years of damage that has already been done.
My point is that people in Philadelphia act like there is an imaginary line around Center City when people talk on this site about Philly and it's sickening. I was talking about the real Phiily. The Philly my family living in the city talk about. The anger residents have as investment goes into Center City or University City an bypasses the neighborhoods that need it. But what else is new in this country. It's been happening like this forever. Food deserts etc. etc. you name it. D.C. is making sure they focus on development in area's that need it by forcing development there. Can you say the same for Philadelphia?
Obviously, Philadelphia does not have the per capita tax revenue resources that DC has. The fact that too many areas of Philly have been left behind to rot has nothing to do with lack of care; on the contrary, Philly is chock full of non-profit organizations that try to fill in the gaps where resources are severely lacking.
I think you are just generally unaware of the type of improvements, programs and investments that are occurring in Philly -- and I wouldn't expect you to be, as you live in DC. However, all it takes is a quick Google search to find out the kind of programs/investment that is occurring in Philly targeting disadvantaged neighborhoods if you're genuinely interested.
One new large scale development in particular is in an area of North Philly that will be mixed-income, mixed-use and transit-oriented. Modeled after a highly successful project in New York, I think this project will definitely set the tone for revitalization in Philly's most depressed neighborhoods in the years to come:
As previously mentioned, the Philadelphia Housing Authority is now doing a much better job of not only preserving affordable housing but doing so by incorporating the existing urban fabric through rehabilitation and adaptive re-use. Here is one recent project the PHA will embark on -- chosen through a design competition -- that will incorporate the existing housing stock into a sustainable new affordable housing development:
Also, speaking of food deserts, wouldn't you know that Philadelphia has been on the forefront of tackling this issue, as well. In fact, Michele Obama came to Philly about two years ago to tout a recently built supermarket as a model for other cities across the country:
In short, there is plenty of focus occurring in Philly with regard to new development that does not lose sight of disadvantaged neighborhoods. Any claims to the contrary are just misinformed or lacking in knowledge.
Well this subject manner is a two horse race between Philly and Boston which reflects in the poll results. There is no point of arguing with delusional people.
Once again you do not know what you are talking about. Philadelphia is currently releasing a series of comprehensive plans that will spur development in areas of the city that need it. Places like Mantua in West Philadelphia will be getting their first grocery story in almost 50 years. Temple University just built a fresh grocer in the "Templetown/Yorktown neighborhood" which is an area that was troubled just a few years ago and now they have a grocery store, a movie theater, increased police presence and other shopping options and restaurant options they weren't hear nearly 10 years ago. Sure there are areas where people on a low income are being priced out of neighborhood, but then their are areas where the Nutter Administration is adding services to those on a low income and adding new charter schools and new trade schools and grocery stores and building new developments and replacing outdated projects all for people on a low income that otherwise would have no chance to succeed. Why do you think DC is so magical? DC should be the perfect city because THE GOVERNMENT IS HEADQUARTERED IN YOUR CITY, however, DC is a very troubled city with a lot of problems when it shouldn't be. To say any major city doesn't have problems is just a falsity. You must be sheltered by mommy and daddy and haven't gotten out there yet to see the real DC.
Now I'm going to show you what I mean. How many people on this site have talked about what you just said? It took me highlighting the fact that you guys don't talk about the rest of the city for you to actually care enough to talk about area's that aren't dominated by Caucasians.
I know all about every corner of Washington D.C. and I would wager I also know way more about poverty than you will ever know. Let's get real here. Somewhere along the way, you seem to think I said Washington D.C. wasn't a city with low income area's which is a figment of your imagination. In almost every thread on this board, all I do is talk about all the blighted area's in D.C. where investment is finally coming. How the crime rate is dropping. How D.C. has put in laws to make sure affordable housing is included in all the new development. I want this for all cities where African Americans are struggling which is a lot. The problem is, most of you are happier to see these residents move out than new developments include units for them as well.
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