Capital of Black America? (live, best, compared, place)
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Used google maps measure distance tool. I got 3.7 sq. miles. From what streets did you take your measurement?
What area of Brooklyn would you like to compare to? I can't think of any area in Brooklyn with that level of vibrancy? Do you know how many people work in downtown DC?
Downtown, DUMBO, Williamsburg and Sunset Park easily surpass those locations in foot traffic. There are even parts of Bed-Stuy that have more pedestrian traffic than Georgetown.
In September 2017, the Downtown section of Fulton Street had a peak PM (4-7pm) pedestrian count of 11,406. This appears to exclude Times Square, which has its own separate alliance that conducts counts, The only places in NYC that were busier:
W. 34th Street (Broadway) - 25,734
7th Avenue (33rd Street) - 23,193
E. 14th Street (Union Square) - 19,584
5th Avenue (Midtown) - 19,551
50th Street (Broadway) - 17,338
W. 40th Street (Ave. of the Americas) - 16,774
42nd Street (Park Ave.) - 16,659
Broadway (Financial District) - 12,650
E. Fordham Road (Bronx) - 12,388
Fulton Street (Downtown BK) - 11,406
According to this source, 14th and I has the highest AM peak, which is around 4,000.
This source puts daily pedestrian counts for 7th and H at 29,764 in 2010. But Manhattan (and Brooklyn) counts would exceed this if they counted for 24 hours instead of 3.
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^^^ All of those are outside BK except for Fulton St, which is BK's downtown CBD. Are you all comparing neighborhoods or "downtowns". None of DC's downtown can compare with NYC's foot traffic in it's various business districts. Neighborhood is a bit different.
^^^ All of those are outside BK except for Fulton St, which is BK's downtown CBD. Are you all comparing neighborhoods or "downtowns". None of DC's downtown can compare with NYC's foot traffic in it's various business districts. Neighborhood is a bit different.
DC's pedestrian traffic in its CBD isn't even all that high compared to Brooklyn. So there's no way it bests Brooklyn in foot traffic outside of those areas.
For a city of 700,000 vs 2.5 million this is a pretty impressive for DC.
I guess that's one way to spin it. That's not really even an accurate way of looking at it since a lot of Metro riders live in the suburbs and drive to their station of origin.
Times Square is the busiest station in the city with 203,545 daily riders. The NYC Metro Area is not 10 times the size of the DC Metro Area.
Bottom line is that DC comes nowhere close to surpassing Brooklyn in vibrancy, pedestrian traffic or transit ridership.
Downtown, DUMBO, Williamsburg and Sunset Park easily surpass those locations in foot traffic. There are even parts of Bed-Stuy that have more pedestrian traffic than Georgetown.
In September 2017, the Downtown section of Fulton Street had a peak PM (4-7pm) pedestrian count of 11,406. This appears to exclude Times Square, which has its own separate alliance that conducts counts, The only places in NYC that were busier:
W. 34th Street (Broadway) - 25,734
7th Avenue (33rd Street) - 23,193
E. 14th Street (Union Square) - 19,584
5th Avenue (Midtown) - 19,551
50th Street (Broadway) - 17,338
W. 40th Street (Ave. of the Americas) - 16,774
42nd Street (Park Ave.) - 16,659
Broadway (Financial District) - 12,650
E. Fordham Road (Bronx) - 12,388
Fulton Street (Downtown BK) - 11,406
According to this source, 14th and I has the highest AM peak, which is around 4,000.
This source puts daily pedestrian counts for 7th and H at 29,764 in 2010. But Manhattan (and Brooklyn) counts would exceed this if they counted for 24 hours instead of 3.
Other than downtown BK, those are not in Brooklyn. I don't recall Brooklyn neighborhoods having a lot of foot traffic whenever I'm there. Only the commercial strips have foot traffic. Unless you are near a commercial street, you're not going to have foot traffic regardless of the city. The area I'm talking about in DC obviously has more retail frontage being that it is downtown DC. The foot traffic seems higher compared to Brooklyn neighborhoods in my experience.
DC's pedestrian traffic in its CBD isn't even all that high compared to Brooklyn. So there's no way it bests Brooklyn in foot traffic outside of those areas.
You seems to be focused on the commercial strips in BK which are tiny compared to downtown DC. If we overlay them on top of each other, you really think the neighborhood streets full of brownstones have more foot traffic than downtown DC?
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I guess that's one way to spin it. That's not really even an accurate way of looking at it since a lot of Metro riders live in the suburbs and drive to their station of origin.
Times Square is the busiest station in the city with 203,545 daily riders. The NYC Metro Area is not 10 times the size of the DC Metro Area.
I guess that point can be taken. I don't think many people on here or in real life would signal out DC being more vibrant in most areas over BK, but you can find a least a few 2 sq mi residential pockets of the District that equate or may out due a residential pocket here or there of BK in vibrancy.
Friend of mine who I was visiting in Cobble Hill stated, she moved there specifically because it isn't uber "vibrant" or even as vibrant as residential the neighborhoods of Manhattan. In addition to COL differences of course.
Now down the street of course you have Fulton/ DT Brooklyn etc with heavy vibrancy in walking distance.
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You seems to be focused on the commercial strips in BK which are tiny compared to downtown DC. If we overlay them on top of each other, you really think the neighborhood streets full of brownstones have more foot traffic than downtown DC?
That's why I'm getting at the point of what you two are comparing, there is no sense of one of you comparing an apple to an orange. I was walking brownstone neighborhoods of BK two weeks ago that are either equal or less vibrant than equivalent neighborhoods in DC. The difference is that in DC those neighborhoods are probably a lot smaller geographically than the ones in BK I was in.
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