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But DC? I've been there enough times to know that every inch of that city is not packed with people at all hours of the day. I've even experienced the Loop in Chicago at relatively dead periods.
Of course it’s not. Neither is NYC. The point is comparing them to Atlanta. This is comparing apples and oranges.
Of course it’s not. Neither is NYC. The point is comparing them to Atlanta. This is comparing apples and oranges.
That's my issue, though. It seems as if you're referring to DC and NYC together as if they were more alike than different in this regard. Atlanta is less bustling than DC which is less bustling than NYC. One could argue that DC is like living in a suburb of NYC , but that wouldn't be a thoroughly accurate statement.
Everything is relative. Nobody would say anywhere in Atlanta is bustling compared to DC proper or NYC. Comparing Atlanta to some other cities, sure it would seem busy.
And DC proper isn't bustling compared to NYC, which is clearly a beast in its own right.
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And DC proper isn't bustling compared to NYC, which is clearly a beast in its own right.
DC has more of a Brooklyn lite, or shorter Manhattan feel in areas, than it does with anywhere in Atlanta proper. That said you're right NYC is a beast to be untouched.
PG/DeKalb may have a more closer feel to each other than the suburbs of any of these cities however to give some context here.
That's my issue, though. It seems as if you're referring to DC and NYC together as if they were more alike than different in this regard. Atlanta is less bustling than DC which is less bustling than NYC. One could argue that DC is like living in a suburb of NYC , but that wouldn't be a thoroughly accurate statement.
I think you’re missing the big picture here. Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, Baltimore, DC etc. are all northeastern cities built before the car. That’s why they look the way they do. That’s why they have people walking throughout the city. They are made for pedestrians. They are dense structurally and by population density. Now, compare them to Atlanta, Houston, Dallas etc. etc. etc. That’s the point I’m making. Being in Atlanta on Peachtree street walking a few blocks east or west has you back in detached single family home neighborhoods. This is well documented on this website and in the real world. Isn’t there an entire thread talking about the lack of urban footprint for Atlanta on the front page of city vs. city right now?
People in cities outside of the northeast, Chicago, and San Fran drive most places. It’s not really up for debate. It’s common knowledge. My point in regards to this thread was talking about what the three black capitals of DC, ATL, and NYC offer black people and an urban city is not something Atlanta can offer. That goes for neighborhoods and vibrancy.
And DC proper isn't bustling compared to NYC, which is clearly a beast in its own right.
Agreed, but Atlanta isn’t even on the scale. It’s mainly single family detached homes. Walk a few blocks from Peachtree street and you’re in detached single family homes.
That's only your opinion, though, and it's not that anyone is necessarily saying you're flat out wrong. We're just adding some perspective.
Much of the Sunbelt was built for the car, but not all of it was. Each of the cities being discussed have different degrees of urbanity, so it's not at all as simple as being an apples and oranges comparison.
At the end of the day, the population density of DC is far closer to Atlanta's than it is to NYC's.
That's only your opinion, though, and it's not that anyone is necessarily saying you're flat out wrong. We're just adding some perspective.
Much of the Sunbelt was built for the car, but not all of it was. Each of the cities being discussed have different degrees of urbanity, so it's not at all as simple as being an apples and oranges comparison.
At the end of the day, the population density of DC is far closer to Atlanta's than it is to NYC's.
What are you disagreeing with? Population density has nothing to do with vibrancy. Activity centers and retail is what creates vibrancy. Does population density play a role? Yes, but tourism and job density plays a larger role. DC is no Manhattan, but Logan Circle, DuPont Circle, Midcity, Gallery Place, Penn Quarter, or Georgetown are way more vibrant than Brooklyn even though Brooklyn is more than twice as dense as DC. The difference is people come from all over the DC region to the neighborhoods I listed which makes it vibrant even if they all don’t live there. They may work there, be going to happy hour, or brunch on the weekends. They took the train or took Uber or lyft and walk the streets. That’s the same dynamic Manhattan has compared to the other boroughs.
I am in NYC all the time so let’s not act like Queens, Brooklyn, or the Bronx is like Manhattan from a vibrancy standpoint.
Agreed, but Atlanta isn’t even on the scale. It’s mainly single family detached homes. Walk a few blocks from Peachtree street and you’re in detached single family homes.
It's "on the scale," but not on the most urban end of it. But this is all off-topic anyway.
The suggestion that NY and DC are in one group while Atlanta is in another
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Population density has nothing to do with vibrancy.
It doesn't tell the whole story, but it doesn't mean nothing either. It can give you a general idea of the overall urbanity of a city. Is it relevant that the Los Angeles UA is denser than the Tri State area? Not really, but when you look at the core of each, it makes perfect sense that one has only 8K ppsm while the other has nearly 30K.
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Activity centers and retail is what creates vibrancy. Does population density play a role? Yes, but tourism and job density plays a larger role. DC is no Manhattan, but Logan Circle, DuPont Circle, Midcity, Gallery Place, Penn Quarter, or Georgetown are way more vibrant than Brooklyn even though Brooklyn is more than twice as dense as DC. The difference is people come from all over the DC region to the neighborhoods I listed which makes it vibrant even if they all don’t live there. They may work there, be going to happy hour, or brunch on the weekends. They took the train or took Uber or lyft and walk the streets. That’s the same dynamic Manhattan has compared to the other boroughs.
Activity centers, retail, tourism, etc. Atlanta has all of these. People take the train to work and leisure as well. See? It almost seems as if you don't actually believe that an urban lifestyle is possible in the Sunbelt. To the same extent that it is in DC? No, but as you already said, this is common knowledge here.
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I am in NYC all the time so let’s not act like Queens, Brooklyn, or the Bronx is like Manhattan from a vibrancy standpoint.
Of course not, but this is no less accurate than suggesting that Atlanta doesn't deserve to mentioned in the same discussion as DC in terms of urbanity.
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