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LOL . So the scriptures us tell us that he is our righteousness and you believe he is our justice
For I say unto you, That except your JUSTICE shall exceed the JUSTICE of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the JUSTICE of God in him.
It has the ring of truth to it, now, doesn't it?
Of course we are also to shew mercy in order that we might receive mercy.
The reality is that Jesus died in our place, taking the penalty for our wrongdoing in order that God might shew mercy to us while justice also be satisfied.
I don't know what it is in you that demands that God not be a God of justice.
Jesus DID remove any consequence for our wrongdoing by achieving perfection for us. That is what makes mercy possible and is why God is not counting our sins against us. Our wrongdoing no longer keeps us separate from God, but that does NOT mean we do not need to have the dross of any unrepentant wrongdoing (especially the truly evil ones) removed from us in the refining fire of God's love. This does not mean God is NOT a God of justice. It means He IS a God of agape love and forgiveness.
God's Divine Justice is not like our imperfect human justice. It does NOT demand punishment. Punishment does NOT restore balance and it cannot repair the damage to perpetrators and victims, which God's agape love demands. Punishment simply assuages our human wrath and sense of injustice. God's Divine justice restores balance to everyone involved in ways we cannot possibly comprehend. That is why He asks us to abandon our desire for wrath and vengeance and leave it to Him.
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But it is a great detraction from His character and nature that comes when you teach what you teach.
It seems to me that you would be happy if mass murderers went to heaven and saints went to hell; because that is not justice; and you seem to believe in a God who is not a God of justice.
What YOU teach does not just detract from God's character, it blasphemes His Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness as demonstrated by Jesus on the Cross. Mass murderers and their victims WILL receive justice, just not the wrathful and impotent human justice we employ here on earth.
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Jesus did not die to appease the wrath of "our savage ancestors" but of a holy God.
Someone might say, "the wrath of our savage ancestors has no bearing on me today so I don't even need the Cross."
That is ridiculous. Jesus was scourged and crucified by our savage and brutal ancestors because of THEIR wrath and vengeance against Him. Jesus and God ALLOWED it to show them Gods' Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness.
Jesus endured THEIR wrath to unambiguously demonstrate that our Holy God has no wrath or vengeance in Him, just agape love and forgiveness because we know not what we do. God has the Divine power to make things right for everyone involved, perpetrators and victims alike because He loves us ALL. Sadly, you are filled with human wrath and vengeance and want a different God than the one Jesus revealed to us.
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Jesus DID remove any consequence for our wrongdoing by achieving perfection for us. That is what makes mercy possible and is why God is not counting our sins against us. Our wrongdoing no longer keeps us separate from God, but that does NOT mean we do not need to have the dross of any unrepentant wrongdoing (especially the truly evil ones) removed from us in the refining fire of God's love. This does not mean God is NOT a God of justice. It means He IS a God of agape love and forgiveness.
God's Divine Justice is not like our imperfect human justice. It does NOT demand punishment. Punishment does NOT restore balance and it cannot repair the damage to perpetrators and victims, which God's agape love demands. Punishment simply assuages our human wrath and sense of injustice. God's Divine justice restores balance to everyone involved in ways we cannot possibly comprehend. That is why He asks us to abandon our desire for wrath and vengeance and leave it to Him. What YOU teach does not just detract from God's character, it blasphemes His Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness as demonstrated by Jesus on the Cross. Mass murderers and their victims WILL receive justice, just not the wrathful and impotent human justice we employ here on earth. That is ridiculous. Jesus was scourged and crucified by our savage and brutal ancestors because of THEIR wrath and vengeance against Him. Jesus and God ALLOWED it to show them Gods' Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness.
Jesus endured THEIR wrath to unambiguously demonstrate that our Holy God has no wrath or vengeance in Him, just agape love and forgiveness because we know not what we do. God has the Divine power to make things right for everyone involved, perpetrators and victims alike because He loves us ALL. Sadly, you are filled with human wrath and vengeance and want a different God than the one Jesus revealed to us.
Jesus dying on the Cross exhibits to us that God the Father's wrath and justice against sin is satisfied in the death of Jesus on the Cross.
You do not accept God for who He is, as a God who does indeed have negative emotions concerning sin; which He had to release those emotions somehow;
And for those who believe in what Jesus did for them, those emotions are released in what Jesus did for them.
While for those who do not believe, those emotions will be released in what is written in Revelation 20:10,15, Matthew 25:41, Matthew 25:46, Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50.
Jesus DID remove any consequence for our wrongdoing by achieving perfection for us. That is what makes mercy possible and is why God is not counting our sins against us. Our wrongdoing no longer keeps us separate from God, but that does NOT mean we do not need to have the dross of any unrepentant wrongdoing (especially the truly evil ones) removed from us in the refining fire of God's love. This does not mean God is NOT a God of justice. It means He IS a God of agape love and forgiveness.
God's Divine Justice is not like our imperfect human justice. It does NOT demand punishment. Punishment does NOT restore balance and it cannot repair the damage to perpetrators and victims, which God's agape love demands. Punishment simply assuages our human wrath and sense of injustice. God's Divine justice restores balance to everyone involved in ways we cannot possibly comprehend. That is why He asks us to abandon our desire for wrath and vengeance and leave it to Him.
What YOU teach does not just detract from God's character, it blasphemes His Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness as demonstrated by Jesus on the Cross. Mass murderers and their victims WILL receive justice, just not the wrathful and impotent human justice we employ here on earth. That is ridiculous. Jesus was scourged and crucified by our savage and brutal ancestors because of THEIR wrath and vengeance against Him. Jesus and God ALLOWED it to show them Gods' Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness.
Jesus endured THEIR wrath to unambiguously demonstrate that our Holy God has no wrath or vengeance in Him, just agape love and forgiveness because we know not what we do. God has the Divine power to make things right for everyone involved, perpetrators and victims alike because He loves us ALL. Sadly, you are filled with human wrath and vengeance and want a different God than the one Jesus revealed to us.
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Jesus dying on the Cross exhibits to us that God the Father's wrath and justice against sin is satisfied in the death of Jesus on the Cross.
Your acceptance of the innocent scapegoat or whipping boy version of salvation reveals a definite lack of any sane or rational concept of justice that only a primitive barbaric mind could even conceive of. Jesus was NOT our substitute for punishment. He was our substitute human champion achieving what none of us could ever achieve.
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You do not accept God for who He is, as a God who does indeed have negative emotions concerning sin; which He had to release those emotions somehow;
You have denigrated God to our level of human frailty and weakness which is blasphemous, IMO!
Justice and mercy as they meet at the Cross, are indeed righteousness.
You know perfectly well that righteousness does not mean that. Justice is justice. Mercy is mercy and Righteousness is righteousness. They are not different words with the same meaning. Your profile says you are a minister, if you are how is it you do not know this ?
You know perfectly well that righteousness does not mean that. Justice is justice. Mercy is mercy and Righteousness is righteousness. They are not different words with the same meaning. Your profile says you are a minister, if you are how is it you do not know this?
You know perfectly well that righteousness does not mean that. Justice is justice. Mercy is mercy and Righteousness is righteousness. They are not different words with the same meaning. Your profile says you are a minister, if you are how is it you do not know this ?
I said what I said by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and I stand by it.
Your acceptance of the innocent scapegoat or whipping boy version of salvation reveals a definite lack of any sane or rational concept of justice that only a primitive barbaric mind could even conceive of. Jesus was NOT our substitute for punishment. He was our substitute human champion achieving what none of us could ever achieve. You have denigrated God to our level of human frailty and weakness which is blasphemous, IMO!
Say it to Nahum concerning what he wrote in Nahum 1:2-3.
Jesus is indeed our substitute for punishment; and if anyone does not receive that, He is not the substitute for their punishment and therefore they will be punished.
The nature of that punishment is that it is everlasting fire and everlasting punishment which is characterized by wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:41, Matthew 25:46, Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50).
It should be known that the god that you are setting forth is not the God of holy scripture; therefore you are a setter forth of a false god who in all reality does not exist. I'm sure that satan will try to be him for you so that he can receive your worship; it is within the nature and character of the devil to deny justice.
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