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Old 05-10-2009, 05:53 PM
 
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The Truth is not relative...and it cannot be twisted by false teachers .........
Amen to this. Your belief that the eventual restoration of all to God through Jesus is a false doctrine is your opinion, Vessif God bless.
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Old 05-10-2009, 05:54 PM
 
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Old 05-10-2009, 05:58 PM
 
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Amen to this. Your belief that the eventual restoration of all to God through Jesus is a false doctrine is your opinion, Vessif God bless.
You have not shown that it is a false doctrine. God bless.
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Old 05-10-2009, 06:03 PM
 
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You believe that the teaching that God accomplishes whatever He purposes to do is a doctrine of demons.


Do you believe that the ruler of this world has been cast out and that Jesus will draw all men to Himself?
Do you believe that goodness overcomes darkness?
Do you believe that God sees beginning to end?
Do you believe that God will subdue/subject all things to Himself?
Do you believe that the creation is to be delivered from the slavery to corruption and changed into the glorious freedom of God?
Do you believe that the judgments of God lead to victory?
Do you believe that God has all power?
Do you believe that God is love?

I do.


Do you believe that love ever fails?

I don't. (1 Corinthians 13)



God bless.
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Old 05-10-2009, 06:04 PM
 
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I refer all to post # 668........do not decived by universalism.....Shana no one will continue to waste their time listening to you and to your universalist lies..... and I for one will not waste any more time with you on this thread......I have made my point clearly and you are a deceiver......
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Old 05-10-2009, 06:08 PM
 
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Vessif, it's okay. If you don't want to participate, you don't have to participate on these threads. But you know what? I have heard these statements about you not participating before, shaking the dust from your feet before, about not wasting your time anymore but guess what. ... Take care and God bless you, Vessif.
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Old 05-10-2009, 06:12 PM
 
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I for one will not waste any more time with you on this thread......I have made my point clearly and you are a deceiver......
Well laddy, let me assure you that Shana has a lot of incredible company in her well founded belief in the Restitution of all things. You are surely not interested in the William Laws & George MacDonalds, or countless others who stand with Him, so we will bid you adieu.

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And yet the Love that brought forth the existence of all things changes not through the fall of its creatures, but is continually at work to bring back all fallen nature and creature. All that passes for a time between God and His fallen creature is but one and the same thing, working for one and the same end, and though this is called "wrath," and that called "punishment," "curse," and "death," it is all from the beginning to the end nothing but the work of the first creating Love, and means nothing else, and does nothing else, but those works of purifying fire, which must and alone can burn away all that dark evil which separates the creature from its first-created union with God.

Gods providence, from the fall to the restitution of all things, is doing the same thing as when He said to the dark chaos of fallen nature, 'Let there be light.' He still says, and will continue saying, the same thing, till there is not evil of darkness left in nature and creature. God creating, God illuminating, God sanctifying, God threatening and punishing, God forgiving and redeeming, are all but one and the same essential, immutable, never-ceasing working of the Divine Nature. -Wm. Law-
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Old 05-10-2009, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Seattle/Kent,WA
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Some problems with the teaching of eternal hell.
It suggests or teaches that God will not accomplish whatever He determines to do, that sin, evil, satan, and man's "free will" are greater than the Creator's Sovereign will. Evil will exist forever in the creation seeing that those in the eternal hell will never be reconciled to God and will remain enemies of God forever and ever. God will have all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth, yet He will be unable to accomplish this. Jesus came to destroy the works of satan, yet the eternal hell with the majority of people for whom Jesus died, will be an everlasting testimony to satan's triumph.

It denies that God is apape love. We know that God is agape love and we know that love bears all things, endures all things and we know that love never fails. Eternal hell suggests or teaches that God who is love, fails in that He is unable to reach/penetrate the hardest of hearts.

The word, aionios, which has been translated as eternal in many places literally means "of or pertaining to an age." There are many problems when this word (and the Hebrew correspondinig Hebrew word, olam), is incorrectly translated as eternal in many places in the scriptures.

Jesus declares that the ruler of this world has been cast out and that if He was lifted up from the earth, He would draw all to Himself. Eternal hell suggests that Jesus was mistaken or not telling the truth.

Eternal hell teaching suggests or says that the disobedience of the man Adam, will have a greater effect on the creation, than the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Eternal hell teaching suggests that God prepared a place of eternal torment for the majority His creatures, knowing full well their choices/opportunities, before He even created the creation. He sees beginning to end. He is said to be agape love, yet brings the majority into existence inevitably leading to an eternity of torment.

Colossians 1:15-20

15. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.16. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.17. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.18. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.19. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,20. and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

God bless.
Amen, Great Post...
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Old 05-10-2009, 11:48 PM
 
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It is amazing how the RCC started this corruption. In all this, God still allowed it and reveals in his own time.
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Old 05-10-2009, 11:50 PM
 
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Why is it so hard to believe that God will not burn his creation forever. A Father does not punish forever in the natural, it is not in the nature of God to punish his creation forever.
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