Mandatory face masks (Seattle, Redmond: to buy, area code, Whole Foods)

[Diana Holbrook]

Originally Posted by StealthRabbit

Are you from Texas? (or Georgia?)

That is their thought process as well.

It is false.

There will not be 'herd immunity from Covid 19, nor is it likely there will be an 80% effective vaccine.

We will have to live with it, many will die (not because they are weaker than you). You may die too. As will I.


Poof gone... But it didn't have to be, nor the lost jobs, nor the high debt and failed businesses. Many countries (majority) had an effective response. USA did not, will not.

There is no effective response to contain or hide from a world-wide virus. Til when, the next flight comes in?

Immunity is our only shot. We don't have some choice to just avoid it, by wearing little cloth masks.

It's not how I want it to be, I just think it's the reality we face.... Inevitably, I think we'll all be tested by it eventually. Little cloth mask method will never be 100%.... and frankly, I don't want to live that way forever.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by StealthRabbit

Are you from Texas? (or Georgia?)

That is their thought process as well.

It is false.

There will not be 'herd immunity from Covid 19, nor is it likely there will be an 80% effective vaccine.

We will have to live with it, many will die (not because they are weaker than you). You may die too. As will I.


Poof gone... But it didn't have to be, nor the lost jobs, nor the high debt and failed businesses. Many countries (majority) had an effective response. USA did not, will not.

Taiwan and Korea did well, because for one thing, they had enough PPE for everyone. The US still doesn't! I find that unbelievable. But every week, the US exports most of its PPE around the world. We still haven't learned, even though we're right in the middle of the crisis.


A friend of mine in her 50's recently got Covid and recovered from it. She was able to deal with it with ibuprofen for 2-3 nights, for fever. A neighbor made a grocery run for her. It was over in a few days, then she self-quarantined. She was lucky. Now she's relieved she's had it, and it's over with.

We still have no idea how long immunity lasts, though. All "herd immunity" may mean, is that we won't have to worry about getting it twice in one year, but the next year we could get it again.

[JOinGA]

Originally Posted by sll3454

A few things that we've learned:


Covid-19 is extremely dangerous for sick people. It is also dangerous for old people. For most people, it is not deadly. (Yes, on rare occasion a young person who seemed healthy might die. These things happen, not just from coronavirus.)


Asymptomatic people do not seem to infect others.
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/06/...ExeIn_F22__12c
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...V6TZ1gtsY-jdd0 (Yes, she "took it back," but her original statement was science-based, while the retraction was policy-based.)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32513410/



Children generally do not infect others - or, for the most part, each other. Children under 10 are less likely to become infected than people over 10.
https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/7/61...e9Bh4mfoj0N3sw



The severity of the sickness seems related to the amount of the viral load.


Covid-19 is generally spread by virus particles that are in droplets. It is possible that it could become aerosolized, but I think that has only been done in a lab.


The majority of the droplets drop (ha! droplets drop) before they travel a meter.



Ordinary nose-breathing does not produce many droplets or virus particles. However, coughing, sneezing, shouting, and singing do.




Something I learned about myself after my kind neighbor sewed me a cloth mask: I cannot breathe through a mask. (Yes, I've tried other masks.) If I thought I posed any risk to anyone, I would certainly stay at home. But the science doesn't support the mask mandate.

"If I thought I posed any risk to anyone, I would certainly stay at home." Your fellow citizens are not interested in having each person forego precautions based on their personal assessment of risk. The young man in Texas who attended a family party surely did not think he was a risk. It resulted in 18 people testing positive and grandpa is still in ICU fighting for his life.

[StealthRabbit]

Immunity (after having Covid) has been reported to be as short as 10 weeks, if at all. We will live with it because it is mutating, as covids are prone to do. Masks and preventive measures are only a tool during pandemic spread, once the Rm is under control, life goes on as 'new 'normal'. Without PPE and safeguards for infecting others (not yourself), the Rm goes nuts. Economy tanks, many people get ill, many die (all unnecessarily)

But it's American to be selfish and independent. Who cares if I kill 4000, just as long as I am not seen wearing a mask.

Makes perfect sense.

Our enemies are watching with glee, they are making future plans for us.(a)

[Diana Holbrook]

Originally Posted by StealthRabbit

But it's American to be selfish and independent. Who cares if I kill 4000, just as long as I am not seen wearing a mask.

Makes perfect sense.

Our enemies are watching with glee, they are making future plans for us.

Yeah - Hyperbole and wild imaginations are also very American traits...

Good luck to us all.

[dav51lin]

herd imunity is bs

[sll3454]

Originally Posted by JOinGA

"If I thought I posed any risk to anyone, I would certainly stay at home." Your fellow citizens are not interested in having each person forego precautions based on their personal assessment of risk. The young man in Texas who attended a family party surely did not think he was a risk. It resulted in 18 people testing positive and grandpa is still in ICU fighting for his life.

I wouldn't go to a party. Not being able to wear a mask to stores where I've been shopping maskless for the past three months does not mean I'm on my way to a party. Parties have nothing to do with masks.

I'm a natural social distancer.
However, if other people go to parties, that's okay with me.

[sll3454]

Originally Posted by StealthRabbit

Immunity (after having Covid) has been reported to be as short as 10 weeks, if at all. We will live with it because it is mutating, as covids are prone to do. Masks and preventive measures are only a tool during pandemic spread, once the Rm is under control, life goes on as 'new 'normal'. Without PPE and safeguards for infecting others (not yourself), the Rm goes nuts. Economy tanks, many people get ill, many die (all unnecessarily)




But it's American to be selfish and independent. Who cares if I kill 4000, just as long as I am not seen wearing a mask.

Makes perfect sense.

Our enemies are watching with glee, they are making future plans for us.(a)

Immunity has been reported to be . . . all sorts of things. We also hear the virus is mutating and becoming less deadly. Or maybe not. Who knows?


This is a global problem, not an American one. People in Mexico are refusing to stay home. People in Italy have protested. Germans and Scandinavians aren't too fond of masks, either.
It's a little early to call some nations winners and others losers. It's not over yet.

[MechAndy]

I wear a mask whenever I am in public.
I constantly sanitize my hands after I pump gas or do public things like use a shopping cart.
I do not worry that I will get sick but I worry for my family and the others that I might get sick.
I don’t do it for the government.
I do it for us.

We have lost 2 family members to this and it just sucks.

Even though I just turned 60 I am in very good health.
It’s just that there is a chance that while I am OK I could carry this virus and transfer it to others.

Not everybody is healthy.
Not everyone can survive this.

In the early part February I was working on a big DOE job and near all of us got “whacked” by the nastiest bug we ever have had.

We had specialists working here flying in from all over the world, even from China and some were commuting regularly via airlines.

The thing is is that I and my crew never have gotten sick like that.
There was no testing available.

It took us just under 3 weeks to be back to somewhat normal.

They shut the job down because the virus was there.
Kinda a hush hush thing to be honest.

My co-workers and I think we got hit with the virus.

I do not believe or have any faith in a vaccine.

Because of all of this and what I personally went through I am a firm believer of most of all the precautions.

Masks are good.
Social distancing really good.
Not being able to fish on my own property by myself in WA I thought was just stupid but sometimes things don’t seem right, but if that can help just one family from losing a member it is justified.

Andy.

[rantiquity]

Originally Posted by Pahn

This "but muh FREEDOM" attitude is why the US is handling the pandemic so poorly.

Poorly???? In my county we have had 2 active cases as of this morning, no deaths and no one was ever hospitalized and those two was because of Seattle morons infecting our citizens.