Trans Activist Funeral At St. Patrick's Cathedral - People Lose Their Minds

[YorktownGal]

Originally Posted by Derek41

I’ve certainly not seen that level of problems in organizing or attending a Catholic funeral.
And I have been to plenty of Catholics funerals where the Catholic was long lapsed or inactive within the church or parish.
In some ways Catholicism is like a cultural or ethno-religious group, you are always a part of it, and you are always welcomed home.

Well, it depends on the country/archdiocese.

In most cases, a deathbed confession or Last Rites is required. So you might be welcomed home, but you have to ask for it before you die.

Chanting "Saint Cecilia was a who re" like this group did was a clear indication, there was no a deathbed confession or Last Rites.

[Bungalove]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

^^^^ This. The bold is a very slippery slope.

I disagree with you. Most transgender people, and I have two in my extended family, pretty much want to be left alone and not be killed or injured for being themselves. Sure, there's a political movement towards acceptance in the transgender community, but on the whole I believe that it's much less dramatic than the media portrays it to be. I don't believe there's a wholesale movement by the transgender community to "convert" straight people through "political and cultural normalization", even if some posters do. BTW, it's interesting that almost all media concerns itself with MTF transgenders, when a large number are FTM. Perhaps they aren't as flamboyant, or even visible to the public at large.

[Bungalove]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Trying to normalize mental disorders seems to be motivated by a well-meaning concern for those afflicted since there seems to be nothing that can be done to correct the dysfunction. They have to live among us. We should not treat them with disdain or brand them with a Scarlet Letter. But we should not pretend that they ARE what they are NOT. Gender dysphoria IS a reality-denying disorder that should not be mainstreamed, IMO. That way lies madness. Conflating gender dysphoria with the LGB community has been a major category error.

Let me quote from your oft-repeated "agape love" statement:

"He is non-judgmental". "The reason non-judgmental is important is because when you judge (in the "name of G-d" or not, "righteously" or not, anyone other than yourself, you arrogantly position yourself in the place of G-d. We have no business being offended for G-d, chastising or punishing for G-d, shunning for G-d, enforcing anything for G-d, or whatever!"

Your statements above do not correlate with the non-judgmental concepts you posted. particularly when you state that gender dysphoria is a reality-denying disorder. It may seem so on the surface, but the inner person's identity differs with their appearance. Who are you to say they are wrong?

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by Bungalove

Let me quote from your oft-repeated "agape love" statement:

"He is non-judgmental". "The reason non-judgmental is important is because when you judge (in the "name of G-d" or not, "righteously" or not, anyone other than yourself, you arrogantly position yourself in the place of G-d. We have no business being offended for G-d, chastising or punishing for G-d, shunning for G-d, enforcing anything for G-d, or whatever!"

Your statements above do not correlate with the non-judgmental concepts you posted. particularly when you state that gender dysphoria is a reality-denying disorder. It may seem so on the surface, but the inner person's identity differs with their appearance. Who are you to say they are wrong?

I do not judge them. Sadly, their physical body does. If it is male, nothing they "feel inside" alters that. That is why it is dangerous to pretend it does matter. It is not all that different from "feeling inside" that you are Napoleon Bonaparte. Some things "just ain't so"! I have no issues with LGB.

[Derek41]

Originally Posted by YorktownGal

Well, it depends on the country/archdiocese.

In most cases, a deathbed confession or Last Rites is required. So you might be welcomed home, but you have to ask for it before you die.

Chanting "Saint Cecilia was a who re" like this group did was a clear indication, there was no a deathbed confession or Last Rites.

Thanks for the clarification.
Yes it certainly does vary between countries, and at a more local parish and diocese level too.

[Albert E]

If sane people normalize mental illness we will have more mental illness.

[YorktownGal]

Originally Posted by Bungalove

Let me quote from your oft-repeated "agape love" statement:

"He is non-judgmental". "The reason non-judgmental is important is because when you judge (in the "name of G-d" or not, "righteously" or not, anyone other than yourself, you arrogantly position yourself in the place of G-d. We have no business being offended for G-d, chastising or punishing for G-d, shunning for G-d, enforcing anything for G-d, or whatever!"

Your statements above do not correlate with the non-judgmental concepts you posted. particularly when you state that gender dysphoria is a reality-denying disorder. It may seem so on the surface, but the inner person's identity differs with their appearance. Who are you to say they are wrong?

If you love someone, you help them. If I see my child self-harming with cuttings or drinking, my role as a parent is to help my child stop. I'm not going to say, "no judgement, keeping cutting, drinking or whatever." It isn't placing myself in "the place of G-d." It's my responsibility as a parent to protect my child from the worse outcomes.

Matthew 18:15-20

Dealing with a Brother who Sins

15 “If your brother sins against you, go and confront him while the two of you are alone. If he listens to you, you have won back your brother. 16 But if he doesn’t listen, take one or two others with you so that ‘every word may be confirmed by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If, however, he ignores them, tell it to the congregation. If he also ignores the congregation, regard him as an unbeliever and a tax collector.

Unfortunately for many trans children, there are bigger issues.

For the A 16-year-old student in an Oklahoma died after a “physical altercation” in a high school bathroom, went home and died by suicide. Her father, James Everette Hughes, was convicted of raping her when she was nine and molesting her for years. He served a five-year prison sentence. As a result, this poor child was lived with a grandparent. I'm sure her grandparent tried to help, but this child obviously needed more help. It's so sad, I can't imagine what this child suffered.

I think it's true for many of these trans children, it's the tip of the iceberg for issues to be addressed.

[Albert E]

Originally Posted by YorktownGal

If you love someone, you help them. If I see my child self-harming with cuttings or drinking, my role as a parent is to help my child stop. I'm not going to say, "no judgement, keeping cutting, drinking or whatever." It isn't placing myself in "the place of G-d." It's my responsibility as a parent to protect my child from the worse outcomes.



Unfortunately for many trans children, there are bigger issues.

For the A 16-year-old student in an Oklahoma died after a “physical altercation” in a high school bathroom, went home and died by suicide. Her father, James Everette Hughes, was convicted of raping her when she was nine and molesting her for years. He served a five-year prison sentence. As a result, this poor child was lived with a grandparent. I'm sure her grandparent tried to help, but this child obviously needed more help. It's so sad, I can't imagine what this child suffered.

I think it's true for many of these trans children, it's the tip of the iceberg for issues to be addressed.

What fraction of trans teens suffered sexual abuse as kids? Where they looking for an explanation? This is tragic beyond comprehension!

Is the marked increased in trans and massive drug addiction among the young and homeless related to living a life that seems to have no purpose? Nihilism?