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Old 03-27-2023, 03:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by scampy25 View Post
Right off of BOEM's website.
Total Turbine Count - 5,549 (east coast - MA to DE)

Just In NJ
Hudson North - 697 Turbines
Hudson South - 989 Turbines
Atlantic Shores - 227 Turbines
Ocean Wind - 192 Turbines
Garden State - 89 Turbines

Not sure where you're getting 98 from.
98 turbines is calculated from the Ocean Wind One site as 1100 MW with each turbine producing 12MW. That's 91, then a few spares. https://oceanwindone.com/about-the-project
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Old 03-27-2023, 03:31 PM
 
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What will be the cumulative long term impact of the development of thousands of turbines on the Atlantic Coast?

How will ongoing construction for many years impact migrating whales, fish, sea turtles, seals, dolphins, and porpoise?

No one knows. There is no research.

The BOEM says their findings are "Uncertain due to lack of data".

Here is a study detailing the rarely discussed downsides of wind development.

Out to Sea, The Dismal Economics Of Offshore Wind

The benefits of wind are overstated and don't outweigh the harm.
OK, so how about building a coal fired plant just down the street from your house? Would that be OK? You can't have a gas fired plant because there isn't enough pipeline capacity. Power has to come from somewhere. Wind turbines are fine.
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Old 03-27-2023, 03:34 PM
 
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There's a lot of information that's unknown. Apparently there are 361 types of birds that migrate through the coast and will in the way of thousands of windmills. What do millions of dead birds cause? Feed frenzy of sharks, but that's just speculation.

I'm also not a clammer, but apparently NJ has a large protected clamming industry. They are already admitting it to be 100% destroyed by the windmills, in their proposal.

Something like this has never been experimented on before, but why experiment on our beaches?

I live 26 miles from the Empire State Building, and most days and nights I can see clear as day the building. They want to put 3-5k these windmills that are each slightly smaller than the empire state building, as close as 9 miles from the beach. The views on the shoreline are going to be destroyed, let alone the questionable health effects of the low frequencies that these put off. Apparently it causes damages to elderly people.
NJ beaches are not special. If the Gulf of Mexico beaches have to live with oil spills, you can live with windmills.

What's so great about seeing endless water with nothing on it to make it less boring? When I go to Galveston, I see a number of small platforms near the shore, along with 30 or more large ships. It's much better than seeing nothing at all.
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Old 03-27-2023, 03:37 PM
 
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The turbines used are 12MW turbines. The first phase is 1,100MW from 98 turbines. That's enough power for 500,000 homes. Details from the project site https://oceanwindone.com/about-the-project
The project doesn't specify anything about how many windmills in the link. The first phase says it will be enough to cover 500,000 homes, out of 3.2 millions homes. This does exclude all infrastructure and businesses.

The website also says it spend 2 years doing "environmental impact studies & public hearings". This is the complete opposite plan of Murphy's 2050 initiative, to not have any public hearings and their plan to win lawsuits from all the towns. We already know, that this had never occurred.

Much of this is marketing materials, so not the best or most truthful source.

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Old 03-27-2023, 03:50 PM
 
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NJ beaches are not special. If the Gulf of Mexico beaches have to live with oil spills, you can live with windmills.

What's so great about seeing endless water with nothing on it to make it less boring? When I go to Galveston, I see a number of small platforms near the shore, along with 30 or more large ships. It's much better than seeing nothing at all.
Also another Sperm whale washed up onto shore in Ocean City, NJ on Saturday.

There also is no oil off the coast in NJ, so why is it even relatable? Also oil rigs, don't continuously kill animals, or have adverse effects on the environment. NJ gets most of all its electricity from nuclear and clean natural gas. Were acting like were doing the world a big solid on going green, when the impact if very minimal. NJ makes up 0.00% of the global population, if you add in a decimal we make up 0.001% of the global population. Why are we being forced to put the worlds largest windmill farm on our land (and second place would be hundreds of miles behind us in terms of size)? Any war that occurs, the windmills be gone in a few minutes.

They released a "takes" studies on how many animals are projected to be killed (which was approved). Tens of thousands of dolphins, thousands of whales, including the possibility of nearly wiping out endangered whale species.

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Old 03-27-2023, 04:59 PM
 
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NJ beaches are not special. If the Gulf of Mexico beaches have to live with oil spills, you can live with windmills.

What's so great about seeing endless water with nothing on it to make it less boring? When I go to Galveston, I see a number of small platforms near the shore, along with 30 or more large ships. It's much better than seeing nothing at all.
So far 474,681 people think New Jersey beaches are special. They signed a petition asking the Gov to stop the off shore wind projects. That's a lot of people considering most of the NJ public is unaware of what's coming.

The petition is still active. Many more will sign before March 30th when it goes to Trenton.

Protect Our Coast NJ

When people find out about the turbines they are against it. They can't believe our beautiful beaches will be marred by giant turbines. Ugly, loud, leaking oil and toxic chemicals, harming the environment, putting fisherman out of work, harming tourism, and increasing energy costs dramatically.
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Old 03-27-2023, 05:05 PM
 
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The project doesn't specify anything about how many windmills in the link. The first phase says it will be enough to cover 500,000 homes, out of 3.2 millions homes. This does exclude all infrastructure and businesses.

The website also says it spend 2 years doing "environmental impact studies & public hearings". This is the complete opposite plan of Murphy's 2050 initiative, to not have any public hearings and their plan to win lawsuits from all the towns. We already know, that this had never occurred.

Much of this is marketing materials, so not the best or most truthful source.
Here's an article with teh 98 number. I've seen it on a number of sites. https://www.njspotlightnews.org/2022...-industry-hub/

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Also another Sperm whale washed up onto shore in Ocean City, NJ on Saturday.

There also is no oil off the coast in NJ, so why is it even relatable? Also oil rigs, don't continuously kill animals, or have adverse effects on the environment. NJ gets most of all its electricity from nuclear and clean natural gas. Were acting like were doing the world a big solid on going green, when the impact if very minimal. NJ makes up 0.00% of the global population, if you add in a decimal we make up 0.001% of the global population. Why are we being forced to put the worlds largest windmill farm on our land (and second place would be hundreds of miles behind us in terms of size)? Any war that occurs, the windmills be gone in a few minutes.

They released a "takes" studies on how many animals are projected to be killed (which was approved). Tens of thousands of dolphins, thousands of whales, including the possibility of nearly wiping out endangered whale species.
There is a lot of oil and gas off of Texas and Louisiana, and the Gulf of Mexico has been industrialized for 70 years. New Jersey has offshore wind, and now is the time to start taking advantage of it. I mention the oil and gas in the GoM, because it proves that you can live with numerous offshore structures.
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Old 03-27-2023, 05:12 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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OK, so how about building a coal fired plant just down the street from your house? Would that be OK? You can't have a gas fired plant because there isn't enough pipeline capacity. Power has to come from somewhere. Wind turbines are fine.
The federal government deliberately shut down fossil fuel production for ideological reasons. They are very clear about their energy agenda to kill off fossil fuels.

Their ideological preference has constrained the supply of energy. The minute they are out of office, the "crisis" they created goes away. They are in the business of creating problems so they can fix them.

New Jersey, and the entire United States has plenty of energy. There is no real energy crisis. We don't need turbines in NJ.

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Old 03-27-2023, 05:32 PM
 
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OK, so how about building a coal fired plant just down the street from your house? Would that be OK? You can't have a gas fired plant because there isn't enough pipeline capacity. Power has to come from somewhere. Wind turbines are fine.
Wind turbines aren't fine.

Germany is rapidly bringing coal plants and natural gas back on line because wind power doesn't cut it. They are re classifying natural gas as "green" so they justify switching back and keep their green bona fides. Just incredible.

Wind turbines are a big mistake for our state. There is no real benefit.
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Old 03-27-2023, 06:08 PM
 
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Wind turbines aren't fine.

Germany is rapidly bringing coal plants and natural gas back on line because wind power doesn't cut it. They are re classifying natural gas as "green" so they justify switching back and keep their green bona fides. Just incredible.

Wind turbines are a big mistake for our state. There is no real benefit.
Horse Hockey! Wind power was never going to be the whole answer it was and is to work with others sources of green energy.
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