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Visit 5 or 6 pages forward. They knew there was going to be catastrophic death for whales, dolphins, seals and porpoises. Biden appointed his NOAA official, who then authorized the permits to kill them off on the coast of NJ. There are even "takes" on how many can die, which depending on the species is into the thousands. They even offered to kill off endangered species, I believe it was the North Atlantic Right Whale which only has 70 females left in the world, they offered to sacrifice 14 of them for the project.
At this point it is known and evident to most now what happened. There's a huge rally in Trenton on Thursday morning about this, and a group is handing a petition (there a few of them going around) to the Governor of over 500,000 NJ residents signatures to end the project.
The better way to prevent whale deaths is to reduce the potential for entanglement in fishing fear and develop ways to reduce strikes by ships and the associated propeller caused injuries.
On the fishing side, there are a couple of choices. Require use of ropeless systems for trap fishing. This reduces the chances of sea life becoming entangled in ropes and dying, and reduces the loss of traps caught up in trawl nets. Require changes to trawl gear to reduce whale entanglement. Other benefits to this are reduction of the millions of tons of bycatch. Or, eliminate trawling completely. It is an inefficient of catching targeted species and causes tremendous environmental damage.
The better way to prevent whale deaths is to reduce the potential for entanglement in fishing fear and develop ways to reduce strikes by ships and the associated propeller caused injuries.
On the fishing side, there are a couple of choices. Require use of ropeless systems for trap fishing. This reduces the chances of sea life becoming entangled in ropes and dying, and reduces the loss of traps caught up in trawl nets. Require changes to trawl gear to reduce whale entanglement. Other benefits to this are reduction of the millions of tons of bycatch. Or, eliminate trawling completely. It is an inefficient of catching targeted species and causes tremendous environmental damage.
Agree totally. All of these measures should be implemented irrespective of sonar survey situation.
The sonar surveys are known to be potentially fatal to whales and dolphins and need to be stopped immediately. There are multiple Orsted ships at work every day. You have to be willfully blind not to see the connection.
Orsted Ships that were out yesterday:
Hos Browning, Go Adventurer, Go Explorer, Go Discovery, Go Pursuit, Fugro Enterprise, and Miss Emma McCall offshore.. Regulus in port.. Bertie L Miller, Living Stone, Laney Chouest
Visit 5 or 6 pages forward. They knew there was going to be catastrophic death for whales, dolphins, seals and porpoises. Biden appointed his NOAA official, who then authorized the permits to kill them off on the coast of NJ. There are even "takes" on how many can die, which depending on the species is into the thousands. They even offered to kill off endangered species, I believe it was the North Atlantic Right Whale which only has 70 females left in the world, they offered to sacrifice 14 of them for the project.
At this point it is known and evident to most now what happened. There's a huge rally in Trenton on Thursday morning about this, and a group is handing a petition (there a few of them going around) to the Governor of over 500,000 NJ residents signatures to end the project.
There was a Congressional hearing a couple of weeks ago examining the NJ off shore wind issue. They expected 400 people. 800 showed up. The pro wind contingency was approximately 1 dozen people.
Experts testified UNDER OATH how Orsted, Federal agencies and the Murphy admin have BETRAYED the public trust on this issue.
Where's the proof that the Orsted surveys harmed any sea life? Those types of surveys are done all the time, all over the world.
Orsted is installing the biggest ocean wind farm in the world on our shores. More harm and deaths should scale up accordingly. Orsted agrees.
Let's review the list of marine mammals Orsted expects to HARM or KILL for JUST for Ocean Wind1. With numbers like this it's easy to see why they've hidden this from the public. When looking at these numbers remember that Harm can also result in death. Orsted produced these number so it's probably a best case scenario.
Right Whale - harm 14
Blue whale - harm 4
Fin Whale - kill 4, harm 27
Sei Whale - kill 1, harm 6
Minke Whale - kill 22, harm 118
Humback Whale - 6 kill, harm 37
Sperm whale - harm 24
Atlantic dolphin - harm 133
Spotted dolphin - harm 405
Bottle nose dolphin offshore - harm 2,822
Bottle nose dolphin coastal - kill 11, harm 4,432
Short finned pilot whale - harm 90
Long finned pilot - whale harm 90
Risso dolphin - harm 270
Common dolphin - harm 1,749
Harbor porpoise - kill 79, harm 536
Gray seal - kill 35, harm 641
Harbor seal - kill 48, harm 1,775
Orsted is installing the biggest ocean wind farm in the world on our shores. More harm and deaths should scale up accordingly. Orsted agrees.
Let's review the list of marine mammals Orsted expects to HARM or KILL for JUST for Ocean Wind1. With numbers like this it's easy to see why they've hidden this from the public. When looking at these numbers remember that Harm can also result in death. Orsted produced these number so it's probably a best case scenario.
Right Whale - harm 14
Blue whale - harm 4
Fin Whale - kill 4, harm 27
Sei Whale - kill 1, harm 6
Minke Whale - kill 22, harm 118
Humback Whale - 6 kill, harm 37
Sperm whale - harm 24
Atlantic dolphin - harm 133
Spotted dolphin - harm 405
Bottle nose dolphin offshore - harm 2,822
Bottle nose dolphin coastal - kill 11, harm 4,432
Short finned pilot whale - harm 90
Long finned pilot - whale harm 90
Risso dolphin - harm 270
Common dolphin - harm 1,749
Harbor porpoise - kill 79, harm 536
Gray seal - kill 35, harm 641
Harbor seal - kill 48, harm 1,775
They have already started exceeding the kill numbers in some of these cases and ground hasn't even broken yet. Also, these numbers are just for a phase of the project.
There was a Congressional hearing a couple of weeks ago examining the NJ off shore wind issue. They expected 400 people. 800 showed up. The pro wind contingency was approximately 1 dozen people.
Experts testified UNDER OATH how Orsted, Federal agencies and the Murphy admin have BETRAYED the public trust on this issue.
Its going to be interesting to see how many turn up to a rally on Thursday morning in Trenton tomorrow.
There was never trust from the Murphy Administration to begin with, there was just an incompetent media that failed to report (on purpose) Murphy's energy plan for for the last 5 years and people were just not aware. Just reading the energy plan, there just as much about it with regards to preplanning, to avoid the interests of mayors, towns and the people of NJ. The plan goes into plans to circumvent lawsuits (they spent 5 years packing courts and agency appointments for this) from the people of NJ. What we will start seeing very soon are eminent domain notifications going to land both public and private along beaches and neighborhoods at the shore to build infrastructure on land. People in LBI are going to be in a shock when the island turns into a powerplant, but its all written in the master plan.
2 months ago, you would talk about the largest windmill project on Earth from someone who lives right next to had no idea. People still do not have a clue, of what the master plan is here in NJ. Many of these 'new' concepts that the Biden Administration started talk about such as banning gas stoves because they cause asthma, are because of Murphys energy plan. In a couple years, you can no longer have natural gas hooked up to your house, or repaired if its required. You are going to be forced to by an electric oven, your home heat will need to be forced converted to electric. The next phase of the plan goes into making it challenging for people in NJ to have car ownership (including electric), and forcing people into a utopic electric public transportation system through the state. I've been talking about all of this for years, and people look at you crossed eyed in denial and disbelief but its all there in plain english and your tax money is going to it.
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They have already started exceeding the kill numbers in some of these cases and ground hasn't even broken yet. Also, these numbers are just for a phase of the project.
Agreed, the body count is likely to be much higher. The true count is unknown as many will die and never wash up on the beach.
If you are opposed to ocean turbines and you can call your representatives and tell them you don't support NJ's Clean Energy policies. Ask them to stop the turbine projects.
I've been calling our 2 Senators and the Governor's office everyday. It's easy to do and the staff answering the phones are very polite. It takes under five minutes. I added their numbers to my phone contacts.
Most importantly you can vote against politicians who support ocean turbines.
If we don't stand up and speak for our ocean environment who will?
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When people find out about the turbines they are against it. They can't believe our beautiful beaches will be marred by giant turbines. Ugly, loud, leaking oil and toxic chemicals, harming the environment, putting fisherman out of work, harming tourism, and increasing energy costs dramatically.
Overdramatization. Well maintained wind turbines do no leak oil. And they are that far out that the noise they make will not be audible on the beach. There is not energy source that is without disadvantages but wind energy seems to have less impact on the environment than off shore oil platforms. And they definitely do not emit any greenhouse gases.
And the construction of wind turbines might affect marine life. However, marine life threatened by global warming and by raising water temperatures. Installing and using wind turbines at least does not make global warming worse...
Agreed, the body count is likely to be much higher. The true count is unknown as many will die and never wash up on the beach.
If you are opposed to ocean turbines and you can call your representatives and tell them you don't support NJ's Clean Energy policies. Ask them to stop the turbine projects.
I've been calling our 2 Senators and the Governor's office everyday. It's easy to do and the staff answering the phones are very polite. It takes under five minutes. I added their numbers to my phone contacts.
Most importantly you can vote against politicians who support ocean turbines.
If we don't stand up and speak for our ocean environment who will?
This whole project is Murphys baby, and Booker is backing it 110%. I know people are doing petitions, and writing to the the government, but they expected this. If it was such a great idea, wouldn't you have heard more about it?
The people of New Jersey need to make the politicians fear us.
Overdramatization. Well maintained wind turbines do no leak oil. And they are that far out that the noise they make will not be audible on the beach. There is not energy source that is without disadvantages but wind energy seems to have less impact on the environment than off shore oil platforms. And they definitely do not emit any greenhouse gases.
And the construction of wind turbines might affect marine life. However, marine life threatened by global warming and by raising water temperatures. Installing and using wind turbines at least does not make global warming worse...
Thousands of windmills have less impact than an one oil rig? That's not really true, at all. Additionally, NJ has zero oil on its shelf so there will never be oil rigs at the shore. Additionally, NJ gets it electric from nuclear energy and the countries second largest clean natural gas reserve 100 miles over the border in Pa.
The windmills that are going up, are much larger than any windmill that currently exists. Each windmill is only slightly smaller than the empire state building, and there is no definitive number on the total that are being installed but its going to closer to 4-5,000. Imagine have 5,000 Empire State Buildings as close as 7 miles from the beach. I live 26 miles from the Empire State Building, and through the mountains and smog I can see it every day and night.
From a global warming perspective, NJ makes up 0.00% of the global population. We are not even a rounding error, we make up 0.001% of the global population and have one of the lower amounts of carbon emissions in world. Why are we developing the worlds largest windmill farm off the coast here, in a known area of migration for both sea and air for a significant amount of earth animals?
These are just valid question, why are we doing this? At a costs that are so insurmountable both economically, to nature and our environment? Who wins? Who loses? We certainly know that the people of New Jersey without the ties to big green energy are the losers.
Last edited by DannyHobkins; 03-29-2023 at 08:34 AM..
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