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Old 03-27-2023, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Not sure why the Gulf of Mexico is relevant to this discussion.

You may not care about seeing wind turbines or their impact, which is your right.

But there are many people who DO CARE about wind turbines off the coast of New Jersey.

For example, Check out this petition which currently has over 459,000 SIGNATURES asking Gov Murphy to HALT all wind turbine construction.

The petition is still actively gathering signatures.

https://www.change.org/p/protect-our...-offshore-wind

This petition will be hand delivered in Trenton on March 30th, 2023.

The downsides to wind turbines and wind power as an energy source are never discussed. People are shocked when they understand the true cost of wind development. Wind power is heavily marketed as beneficial, but that is not the whole story.
and Governor Murphy has the juice to stop federal programs? Interesting.
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Old 03-27-2023, 07:57 PM
 
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The federal government deliberately shut down fossil fuel production for ideological reasons. They are very clear about their energy agenda to kill off fossil fuels.

Their ideological preference has constrained the supply of energy. The minute they are out of office, the "crisis" they created goes away. They are in the business of creating problems so they can fix them.

New Jersey, and the entire United States has plenty of energy. There is no real energy crisis. We don't need turbines in NJ.
No, the Feds did not shut down fossil fuel production. The US is producing at capacity now, somewhat less than at the peak because a bunch of smaller companies went bankrupt due to the demand destruction during the pandemic, and they won't be back because banks won't lend them any money. I've spent 35 years in the oil industry, and have some idea of what's happening.

NJ has no energy except from nuclear plants. Everything else is supplied from elsewhere. If there isn't any additional pipeline capacity built, then NJ will run short at some point, which is why the wind turbines are being built now. There's nothing wrong with wind. In Texas it makes up the gap in the Summer time over what fossil fuels can provide, and has the advantage of being easy to turn off and on.
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Old 03-27-2023, 08:03 PM
 
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Wind turbines aren't fine.

Germany is rapidly bringing coal plants and natural gas back on line because wind power doesn't cut it. They are re classifying natural gas as "green" so they justify switching back and keep their green bona fides. Just incredible.

Wind turbines are a big mistake for our state. There is no real benefit.
Germany stupidly shut down nuclear plants and were moving towards wind and solar, but weren't there when the Russian gas got cut off. That meant going back to coal fired plants, and destroying villages to enlarge the giant strip mines. Like these:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bo...16zL20vMDE1MG4

Those mines are lignite, which is the worst coal you use in a power plant.
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Old 03-27-2023, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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It sounds like everyone is saying something different but saying it as if it’s the obvious choice.
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Old 03-27-2023, 09:53 PM
 
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No, the Feds did not shut down fossil fuel production. The US is producing at capacity now, somewhat less than at the peak because a bunch of smaller companies went bankrupt due to the demand destruction during the pandemic, and they won't be back because banks won't lend them any money. I've spent 35 years in the oil industry, and have some idea of what's happening.

NJ has no energy except from nuclear plants. Everything else is supplied from elsewhere. If there isn't any additional pipeline capacity built, then NJ will run short at some point, which is why the wind turbines are being built now. There's nothing wrong with wind. In Texas it makes up the gap in the Summer time over what fossil fuels can provide, and has the advantage of being easy to turn off and on.
Ever hear of PennEast Pipeline? It should be up and installed right now delivering a billion cubic feet of clean natural gas into NJ daily, more than doubling the current supply. The Murphy Administration was able to put up enough red tape in place that the build was put onto hold until the next governor comes in place. The reason why, so Murphy could make an argument for the turbines, and to make green energy competitive to more expensive fuels.

https://centraljersey.com/2021/12/01...oject-to-ferc/

Also if you didnt know, the second largest reseve of natural gas in the country is 100 miles outside of the state border of NJ. Pa actually has a problem right now that they have too much supply of natural gas and not enough ways to export it. Its also estimated that there is more than a 1,000 year supply in the reserve.
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Old 03-27-2023, 10:08 PM
 
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Ever hear of PennEast Pipeline? It should be up and installed right now delivering a billion cubic feet of clean natural gas into NJ daily, more than doubling the current supply. The Murphy Administration was able to put up enough red tape in place that the build was put onto hold until the next governor comes in place. The reason why, so Murphy could make an argument for the turbines, and to make green energy competitive to more expensive fuels.

https://centraljersey.com/2021/12/01...oject-to-ferc/

Also if you didnt know, the second largest reseve of natural gas in the country is 100 miles outside of the state border of NJ. Pa actually has a problem right now that they have too much supply of natural gas and not enough ways to export it. Its also estimated that there is more than a 1,000 year supply in the reserve.
So, it wasn't the Feds that cancelled the project. In fact the Feds, ie FERC, had approved the project. NJ killed the project.
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Old 03-27-2023, 10:22 PM
 
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So, it wasn't the Feds that cancelled the project. In fact the Feds, ie FERC, had approved the project. NJ killed the project.

It was not the Feds, actually they Supreme Court approval for the Pipeline which it says in the article I posted. You can put one name single handedly the person responsible for the red tape and that is Phillip Murphy.

This pipeline is nothing new, these already exist for more than 150 years in the state. Theres actually more pipelines than roads in NJ. We also have a pipeline connecting NJ to Texas that was built during WWII also.
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Old 03-28-2023, 07:46 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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No, the Feds did not shut down fossil fuel production. The US is producing at capacity now, somewhat less than at the peak because a bunch of smaller companies went bankrupt due to the demand destruction during the pandemic, and they won't be back because banks won't lend them any money. I've spent 35 years in the oil industry, and have some idea of what's happening.
The feds strive everyday to choke off fossil fuel production through regulations.

Do you know why the banks won't lend fossil fuel companies money?

Because federal regulators in the current administration are making it harder for banks to lend to fossil fuel providers. They have politicized the allocation of capital.

Through coercive regulations the gov uses it's power push their climate agenda and punish industries they don't like.

This makes sense when you understand that the feds are in partnership with wind developers. They are use regulations to stamp out their competition.

The frantic push into green energy is all about the huge amounts of GREEN CASH flowing from the government into the pockets of wind developers and back into political coffers.

The benefits of wind are sheer propaganda. A slick marketing campaign flying under the cover of saving the environment. It's very cynical.

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Old 03-28-2023, 08:59 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Germany stupidly shut down nuclear plants and were moving towards wind and solar, but weren't there when the Russian gas got cut off. That meant going back to coal fired plants, and destroying villages to enlarge the giant strip mines. Like these:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bo...16zL20vMDE1MG4

Those mines are lignite, which is the worst coal you use in a power plant.

Germany has been into wind power for 20 years. They can't make it work without government subsidies.

Germans are souring on wind power. From "Wind Power is Collapsing in Germany"

"The Germans are finding out that there are many issues with wind farms that include noise pollution, wildlife and monument protection, military and radio conflicts, and NIMBY—not in my back yard—issues. These are on top of the economic fact that their current system is built upon government subsidies and mandates about which the public seems to be growing weary. German residential consumers pay about three times what U.S. residential consumers do for electricity."

This is the reality of wind power. If the German's can''t make it work, no one can.
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Old 03-28-2023, 09:32 AM
 
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Porpoise just died in Ortley Beach, NJ today.
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