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NOAA is part of the federal government. The federal government has a financial stake in expanding and supporting the wind power industry in our country. Not unbiased.
Where are the environmentalist groups on this issue? Why haven't we heard from them?
They are silent.
Check out this list of major environmental groups that have taken MONEY from Big Wind developers including Orsted.
It’s ok. Some sacrifices are required to drive agendas approved and promoted by elitists. They are bring us to energy independent from fossil fuel.
Of course this is a lie. They don’t tell you the cost of the raw materials. The damage they have cost to the environments and now to the ocean and its ecosystem. How is the end of life being handled? Are there just there rotten? Are they recyclable? Of course they can put our all these wonderful publications but none of this matter until the time come. In IT, the developers blame the users instead of their bad code. They say, the program runs fine in our environment.
Hey, let’s put the negatives and lie aside and be positive. It make many people feel good. And more importantly, a selected few even more powerful and wealthier.
An excellent summation.
Money is at the heart of this issue. The wind development industry is worth 24 Billion Dollars. Think of all that money gushing through the economy and halls of government. Politicians can't resist.
Green energy projects SHIFT environment DAMAGE to other sectors of the environment.
Along the way a lot of money is made. Who cares about a few dolphins and whales, right?
Seismic surveys have been conducted in the Gulf of Mexico since the late 1940's with no long term negative effects on marine life. Those surveys use far more energy that the surveys done for wind turbine construction. Naval sonar is a bigger threat to marine life than surveys. Keep in mind that once the construction is complete, the surveys will end.
Orsted is involved because they submitted the best proposal. They are the larges offshore wind company in the world. Orsted is a Danish company, and the Danes are very good at this wind thing.
NJ may have enough power now, but that's going to change as population grows and other sources reach the end of their useful life. And, not allowing gas pipelines to be built makes it impossible to build any new gas fired plants. Heck, without additional capacity, NJ may run out of natural gas.
Yes, humpbacks die off naturally. But the Feds granted permission to Orsted to harm whales and dolphins.
Does that connect dots for you?
I'm going with Occam's Razor on this.
The sonar surveys are the simplest explanation for the unprecedented whale and dolphin deaths.
Money is at the heart of this issue. The wind development industry is worth 24 Billion Dollars. Think of all that money gushing through the economy and halls of government. Politicians can't resist.
Green energy projects SHIFT environment DAMAGE to other sectors of the environment.
Along the way a lot of money is made. Who cares about a few dolphins and whales, right?
With that logic, we should be removing all of the dams on rivers so the salmon can return. Hetch Hetchy reservoir should be drained, and the valley returned to its original state. That's the valley John Muir said was more beautiful than Yosemite, but water for San Francisco was more important.
With that logic, we should be removing all of the dams on rivers so the salmon can return. Hetch Hetchy reservoir should be drained, and the valley returned to its original state. That's the valley John Muir said was more beautiful than Yosemite, but water for San Francisco was more important.
You prove my point.
The federal government makes stupid decisions all the time.
Investing in wind power and industrializing the Atlantic Coast is a environmentally harmful decision.
Seismic surveys have been conducted in the Gulf of Mexico since the late 1940's with no long term negative effects on marine life. Those surveys use far more energy that the surveys done for wind turbine construction. Naval sonar is a bigger threat to marine life than surveys. Keep in mind that once the construction is complete, the surveys will end.
Orsted is involved because they submitted the best proposal. They are the larges offshore wind company in the world. Orsted is a Danish company, and the Danes are very good at this wind thing.
NJ may have enough power now, but that's going to change as population grows and other sources reach the end of their useful life. And, not allowing gas pipelines to be built makes it impossible to build any new gas fired plants. Heck, without additional capacity, NJ may run out of natural gas.
Gov Murphy's administration stopped the pipeline by denying necessary permits because they don't like fossil fuels.
It was a choice. A choice that could easily be reversed.
Reversed.
Reversed like Murphy's position on industrializing New Jersey ocean waters.
In 2018 he signed a prohibiting oil and gas drilling in our state waters. A-839.
He called a our coastline a national treasure that must be protected.
Oil & gas drilling BAD. Drilling for thousands of wind turbines GOOD.
New Jersey will never run out of power. We don't need wind turbines.
Gov Murphy's administration stopped the pipeline by denying necessary permits because they don't like fossil fuels.
It was a choice. A choice that could easily be reversed.
Reversed.
Reversed like Murphy's position on industrializing New Jersey ocean waters.
In 2018 he signed a prohibiting oil and gas drilling in our state waters. A-839.
He called a our coastline a national treasure that must be protected.
Oil & gas drilling BAD. Drilling for thousands of wind turbines GOOD.
New Jersey will never run out of power. We don't need wind turbines.
Are the turbines in state waters or Federal waters?
I think that if the Gulf of Mexico can be industrialized with thousands of oil and gas platforms, there's no reason that the Atlantic coast can't follow the same path with other industrial projects. There's nothing special about the Atlantic coast. Personally, I like the thought of turbines breaking up the boring view of water.
How will NJ never run out of power? If there's no pipeline capacity to supply electrical generation, then there will not be enough power.
There's a major difference between drilling for oil and gas and drilling foundations for wind turbines.
Seismic surveys have been conducted in the Gulf of Mexico since the late 1940's with no long term negative effects on marine life. Those surveys use far more energy that the surveys done for wind turbine construction. Naval sonar is a bigger threat to marine life than surveys. Keep in mind that once the construction is complete, the surveys will end.
Orsted is involved because they submitted the best proposal. They are the larges offshore wind company in the world. Orsted is a Danish company, and the Danes are very good at this wind thing.
NJ may have enough power now, but that's going to change as population grows and other sources reach the end of their useful life. And, not allowing gas pipelines to be built makes it impossible to build any new gas fired plants. Heck, without additional capacity, NJ may run out of natural gas.
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Originally Posted by WRM20
Are the turbines in state waters or Federal waters?
I think that if the Gulf of Mexico can be industrialized with thousands of oil and gas platforms, there's no reason that the Atlantic coast can't follow the same path with other industrial projects. There's nothing special about the Atlantic coast. Personally, I like the thought of turbines breaking up the boring view of water.
How will NJ never run out of power? If there's no pipeline capacity to supply electrical generation, then there will not be enough power.
There's a major difference between drilling for oil and gas and drilling foundations for wind turbines.
The turbines will be in federal waters. The power lines and infrastructure will be in state waters.
"The new law bans drilling for oil and natural gas in state waters, but the state's sovereignty only extends three miles from the coast; the rest is under the jurisdiction of the federal government. But the law also prohibits pipeline or other infrastructure used to transport oil or natural gas from federal waters or from other states to New Jersey.
"There now is an impediment, there is now a law that makes it almost impossible to drill, because if you don't have the infrastructure and the pipelines going out to the federal side, how do you do it? It just can't be done."
The turbines will be in federal waters. The power lines and infrastructure will be in state waters.
"The new law bans drilling for oil and natural gas in state waters, but the state's sovereignty only extends three miles from the coast; the rest is under the jurisdiction of the federal government. But the law also prohibits pipeline or other infrastructure used to transport oil or natural gas from federal waters or from other states to New Jersey.
"There now is an impediment, there is now a law that makes it almost impossible to drill, because if you don't have the infrastructure and the pipelines going out to the federal side, how do you do it? It just can't be done."
Gov Murphy is against oil infrastructure. But supports wind infrastructure.
So much so that Gov Murphy stripped shore communities of the right to prohibit wind power transmission lines coming ashore in their towns and beaches.
Prohibiting gas pipelines is a political decision. It's not set in stone. New pipelines can be approved.
Gov Murphy would connect the gas pipeline with his bare hands if he thought it would keep him in office.
Can you explain the major difference between drilling for oil and gas and drilling foundations to wind turbines?
The foundations for wind turbines vary depending on water depth. In shallow water, it might be a large concrete gravity base. As water gets deeper, holes are drilled for monopiles, which is a single piling, or tripods and similar structures are used. I haven't found the exact details, but those would probably be holes no more than 300 feet deep. Offshore drilling for oil and gas consists of drilling wells that can be as much as 25,000 feet deep, then either setting a platform on top or using a floating platform, or ship to collect the produced gases and fluids. The tallest fixed platform In know of in the Gulf of Mexico is over 1500 feet tall, with about 1300 feet of that below the waterline. That platform is held in place with pilings driven several hundred feet into the seabed. The platform had slots to drill 60 wells.
I was on a platform offshore of West Africa once, when it started swaying more than usual and felt like it was being bumped. One fo the workers told me to come out and look, as a whale was rubbing against the platform, presumably to scratch an itch on the barnacles and other growth underwater. We say about 20 whales that day as they were migrating.
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