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Overdramatization. Well maintained wind turbines do no leak oil. And they are that far out that the noise they make will not be audible on the beach. There is not energy source that is without disadvantages but wind energy seems to have less impact on the environment than off shore oil platforms. And they definitely do not emit any greenhouse gases.
And the construction of wind turbines might affect marine life. However, marine life threatened by global warming and by raising water temperatures. Installing and using wind turbines at least does not make global warming worse...
With all due respect, overdramatization could also be used to describe climate alarmism.
I agree that all sources of energy have their disadvantages. The problem with wind is that it doesn't deliver on it's promises. It's an intermittent source of power. These giant projects have been rushed into approvals without proper studies or a pilot program to determine the short and long term impact of thousands of 900 foot turbines.
Unfortunately I don't have link to the source of these stats but I'm going to post them anyway. Estimated audible noise on the beach from 1 operating wind turbine is 53.3 dB at a distance of 9 miles and will be much more for the 100s of turbines going in off our coast. Noise during pile driving and construction activities is estimated to be 64 dB equivalent to the sound of a vacuum cleaner at 10 feet.
Turbines also produce underwater noise. The cumulative impact of this noise is not understood.
Yesterdayfederal regulators just admitted that high voltage underwater cables for wind turbines emit magnetic fields that disrupt fish migrations. "The effect of the cables through the sea would likely lead to population depletion of haddock and several other types of local fish".
"We were previously unaware of this study and agree that it has concerning implications for the possible effects of high voltage direct current cabling on larval behavior and resulting predation rates...'
The true environmental cost of wind development is unknown.
With all due respect, overdramatization could also be used to describe climate alarmism.
I agree that all sources of energy have their disadvantages. The problem with wind is that it doesn't deliver on it's promises. It's an intermittent source of power. These giant projects have been rushed into approvals without proper studies or a pilot program to determine the short and long term impact of thousands of 900 foot turbines.
Unfortunately I don't have link to the source of these stats but I'm going to post them anyway. Estimated audible noise on the beach from 1 operating wind turbine is 53.3 dB at a distance of 9 miles and will be much more for the 100s of turbines going in off our coast. Noise during pile driving and construction activities is estimated to be 64 dB equivalent to the sound of a vacuum cleaner at 10 feet.
Turbines also produce underwater noise. The cumulative impact of this noise is not understood.
Yesterdayfederal regulators just admitted that high voltage underwater cables for wind turbines emit magnetic fields that disrupt fish migrations. "The effect of the cables through the sea would likely lead to population depletion of haddock and several other types of local fish".
"We were previously unaware of this study and agree that it has concerning implications for the possible effects of high voltage direct current cabling on larval behavior and resulting predation rates...'
The true environmental cost of wind development is unknown.
High voltage power lines have been running under water for a very long time. Many of Norway's oil platforms are powered by cables from generating plants on land.
I guess the best solution to protect NJ is to shut down all electricity generation for the entire state. Then there's no chance of any harm to anything.
Its going to be interesting to see how many turn up to a rally on Thursday morning in Trenton tomorrow.
There was never trust from the Murphy Administration to begin with, there was just an incompetent media that failed to report (on purpose) Murphy's energy plan for for the last 5 years and people were just not aware. Just reading the energy plan, there just as much about it with regards to preplanning, to avoid the interests of mayors, towns and the people of NJ. The plan goes into plans to circumvent lawsuits (they spent 5 years packing courts and agency appointments for this) from the people of NJ. What we will start seeing very soon are eminent domain notifications going to land both public and private along beaches and neighborhoods at the shore to build infrastructure on land. People in LBI are going to be in a shock when the island turns into a powerplant, but its all written in the master plan.
2 months ago, you would talk about the largest windmill project on Earth from someone who lives right next to had no idea. People still do not have a clue, of what the master plan is here in NJ. Many of these 'new' concepts that the Biden Administration started talk about such as banning gas stoves because they cause asthma, are because of Murphys energy plan. In a couple years, you can no longer have natural gas hooked up to your house, or repaired if its required. You are going to be forced to by an electric oven, your home heat will need to be forced converted to electric. The next phase of the plan goes into making it challenging for people in NJ to have car ownership (including electric), and forcing people into a utopic electric public transportation system through the state. I've been talking about all of this for years, and people look at you crossed eyed in denial and disbelief but its all there in plain english and your tax money is going to it.
Or tell you to take your tin foil hat off.
You are so dead on with all of this, and to always eloquently back it up with data and cold hard facts. Kudos to you. Don't ever stop trying to educate people. It's much easier for them to bury their head in the sand.
Or as some do on here, appear to play devils advocate, in a pompous, condescending, uneducated way.
You are so dead on with all of this, and to always eloquently back it up with data and cold hard facts. Kudos to you. Don't ever stop trying to educate people. It's much easier for them to bury their head in the sand.
Or as some do on here, appear to play devils advocate, in a pompous, condescending, uneducated way.
They play devils advocate, out of denial. These people have been indoctrinated to follow their leaders, that when they know what they are saying is wrong, this is how they have been conditioned to respond. What were seeing here, is just a black and white example of the mass psychosis happening across the country with them.
Thousands of windmills have less impact than an one oil rig? That's not really true, at all. Additionally, NJ has zero oil on its shelf so there will never be oil rigs at the shore. Additionally, NJ gets it electric from nuclear energy and the countries second largest clean natural gas reserve 100 miles over the border in Pa.
The windmills that are going up, are much larger than any windmill that currently exists. Each windmill is only slightly smaller than the empire state building, and there is no definitive number on the total that are being installed but its going to closer to 4-5,000. Imagine have 5,000 Empire State Buildings as close as 7 miles from the beach. I live 26 miles from the Empire State Building, and through the mountains and smog I can see it every day and night.
From a global warming perspective, NJ makes up 0.00% of the global population. We are not even a rounding error, we make up 0.001% of the global population and have one of the lower amounts of carbon emissions in world. Why are we developing the worlds largest windmill farm off the coast here, in a known area of migration for both sea and air for a significant amount of earth animals?
These are just valid question, why are we doing this? At a costs that are so insurmountable both economically, to nature and our environment? Who wins? Who loses? We certainly know that the people of New Jersey without the ties to big green energy are the losers.
For the same reasons why they are digging monstrous holes in the ground to get material for use in electric car batteries.
Shocked that Booker, and that mutt Menendez would get behind this. Interesting, that there was no mention of wind farms.
Most likely just deflection. Dead whales are fatal to the green agenda. Their phones have been ringing off the hook with people demanding the wind survey's be halted. So...they put out a statement which makes it seem like they care and are taking action.
NOAA will do nothing in response. Booker and Menendez get to claim action on the issue. Senator Booker's office mentioned it to me yesterday in an attempt to put me off my daily calls to them.
Just empty words.
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Wind doesn't deliver enough Power. And it never will. It's an inefficient and backwards source of energy.
The U.S. used 97 quads (that's QUADRILLION BTUs) of energy in 2021. Wind and solar were 4.6% of the supply. These wind installations are a drop in the bucket, especially when they will run at a top capacity factor of 30% for 25 years if they are lucky. Almost completely useless without battery backup, which raises the cost significantly (at least sixfold) as compared to fossil fuel electricity sources like natural gas and coal. It relies on fossil fuels as a backup when the wind doesn't blow. With wind in the mix electricity rates will rise significantly.
It's not green.
Turbines damage the ocean ecosystems.
Wind requires a HUGE footprint. The 3,000 turbines planned for the East Coast will occupy 2.3 million acres of the Atlantic waters.
Enormous amounts of fossil fuels are required to produce a single wind turbine. 45 tons of plastic, 900 tons of steel, and 2,500 tons of concrete. The ships used for maintenance run on diesel fuel.
Each turbine contains up to 1600 gallons of transformer oil, 150 gallons of oil lubricants and diesel fuel.
It's just not worth it. Better to concentrate our efforts on making sure traditional sources of energy are cleaner and on developing improved nuclear.
Wind doesn't deliver enough Power. And it never will. It's an inefficient and backwards source of energy.
The U.S. used 97 quads (that's QUADRILLION BTUs) of energy in 2021. Wind and solar were 4.6% of the supply. These wind installations are a drop in the bucket, especially when they will run at a top capacity factor of 30% for 25 years if they are lucky. Almost completely useless without battery backup, which raises the cost significantly (at least sixfold) as compared to fossil fuel electricity sources like natural gas and coal. It relies on fossil fuels as a backup when the wind doesn't blow. With wind in the mix electricity rates will rise significantly.
It's not green.
Turbines damage the ocean ecosystems.
Wind requires a HUGE footprint. The 3,000 turbines planned for the East Coast will occupy 2.3 million acres of the Atlantic waters.
Enormous amounts of fossil fuels are required to produce a single wind turbine. 45 tons of plastic, 900 tons of steel, and 2,500 tons of concrete. The ships used for maintenance run on diesel fuel.
Each turbine contains up to 1600 gallons of transformer oil, 150 gallons of oil lubricants and diesel fuel.
It's just not worth it. Better to concentrate our efforts on making sure traditional sources of energy are cleaner and on developing improved nuclear.
Agreed. The final numbers by 2040 are 5,000 wind turbines (the ones being installed are not called windmills) each the the size slightly smaller than the the empire state building (exluding its pole). They are literally building the worlds largest city in a height and structures from the coast of Monmouth down to Cape May. 5,000 empire state buildings, to not even have enough energy to still give NJ all its energy needs. What about war and sabotage? NJ will have zero energy even before the war begins.
Did anyone even think through this plan? or is greed on the mind? They said in their study that 7,000 dolphins will die (or be harmed) just from the first 98 windmills which doesn't even meet the needs to give Atlantic City energy.
New Jersey is extremely privileged that we live literally 100 miles from one of the largest clean natural gas reserves in the world. Most people and countries do not have the luxury to have access to natural gas, let alone being one of the cleanest forms of energy, and we have a millennial supply of it.
NJ gets 90% of its electric already from nuclear and natural gas. Lets just quit being dumb, complete the NorthPenn pipeline that nobody even will know exists that Murphy cancelled 1.5 years ago that adds 120% more natural gas to NJ existing daily supply. Pennsylvania has a problem right now, is that they have more natural gas a not enough ways to supply it, much of it is going to waste.
Wind doesn't deliver enough Power. And it never will. It's an inefficient and backwards source of energy.
The U.S. used 97 quads (that's QUADRILLION BTUs) of energy in 2021. Wind and solar were 4.6% of the supply. These wind installations are a drop in the bucket, especially when they will run at a top capacity factor of 30% for 25 years if they are lucky. Almost completely useless without battery backup, which raises the cost significantly (at least sixfold) as compared to fossil fuel electricity sources like natural gas and coal. It relies on fossil fuels as a backup when the wind doesn't blow. With wind in the mix electricity rates will rise significantly.
It's not green.
Turbines damage the ocean ecosystems.
Wind requires a HUGE footprint. The 3,000 turbines planned for the East Coast will occupy 2.3 million acres of the Atlantic waters.
Enormous amounts of fossil fuels are required to produce a single wind turbine. 45 tons of plastic, 900 tons of steel, and 2,500 tons of concrete. The ships used for maintenance run on diesel fuel.
Each turbine contains up to 1600 gallons of transformer oil, 150 gallons of oil lubricants and diesel fuel.
It's just not worth it. Better to concentrate our efforts on making sure traditional sources of energy are cleaner and on developing improved nuclear.
Wind supplies 24% of Texas power, more in the Summer.
Oil and gas will become increasingly more expensive to find and exploit. US production will start to drop in the next few years as the available reserves shrink.
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