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Old 02-10-2021, 05:53 PM
 
Location: MD
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Snow pack is holding steady here around 8 inches. Today was the 11th straight day with snow on the ground. I expect that streak to go at least another week or even two. We also have a nice month-long streak going without reaching 10C anywhere in the metro area, almost six weeks in fact for KNYC. All in all, it's not as disgustingly warm of a winter as I expected it to be, despite La Nina and the SE ridge and all of the other garbage in place.
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Old 02-10-2021, 05:55 PM
 
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Texas is in the middle of the country which allows the cold to dig down easier.
I used to think this too. But, the reality is, what happens in Texas (and can often extent into the Northern Gulf states) is, essentially, one gigantic cold-air damming (CAD) event.

I've looked a lot into upper-air patterns, and one thing that stands out is the HIGH frequency of upper level trough formations and/or occurrences over the SW US/Northern Mexico region. It doesn't matter whether its a shortwave or a bowling ball longwave/cut-off low, there's almost always some type of disturbance finding its way into that region - and often with that same positive tilt as well.

These formations are responsible for the winter precipitation events that interrupt what would otherwise be perfectly dry, warm winter weather in Texas. The reason is, when they set up shop in the SW US, that puts Texas under a SW flow aloft emanating from the trough base - and you know that the right side of the trough base is divergent aloft, meaning that there are numerous disturbances (and resulting precipitation) that can ride the state all winter long. This ALONE isn't bad at all - just leads to alternating sunny winter, with some brief rain interruptions, in the vein typical of med/humid subtropical climates during winter.

The problems begin with that gets COMBINED with pure flat land up to the Arctic, along with a huge mountain range directly west to funnel the outbreaks south. A low pressure in the Northern US can advect down a cold front, dammed by the Rockies, funneling down into Texas. But, because the upper-level flow is unchanged, the front ends up shallow, and undercuts, creating a wide range of miserable conditions - overcast, cold rain, as well as wintry precip like what's on the table. Then, when the upper level trough moves in, that creates a surface low that moves away, and pulls colder air further into Texas. The worst part is, these surface lows form often in the warm waters of the Gulf, creating what is, essentially, the Texas version of a Nor'Easter - that means you deal with cold RIGHT AFTER sustained wintry precip.

I've got some examples below that depict upper-air patterns over Texas during these events, which show exactly what I mean. Two of the graphics below show the snow event in Southern Texas from early December of 2017, and one graphic shows the ice storm that struck Texas in Feb of 2011. Notice the positive tilt, the orientation from NE to SW. It even has a name, the "McFarland Signature."





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Old 02-10-2021, 07:30 PM
 
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Holy crap! This has to be record breaking if it verifies. Houston goes down to 15°F (KHOU) on Tuesday. Dallas close to 0°F and OKC at -15°F


https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/...828135427?s=20




Commodity Weather is suggesting this cold pattern hangs around into at least mid March


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Old 02-10-2021, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Holy crap! This has to be record breaking if it verifies. Houston goes down to 15°F (KHOU) on Tuesday. Dallas close to 0°F and OKC at -15°F


https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/...828135427?s=20




Commodity Weather is suggesting this cold pattern hangs around into at least mid March

What's with that little cool pocket in CA&AZ in the Feb 22-28 graphic?
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Old 02-10-2021, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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>70F here today, even if only for a few minutes.

I think the SE Ridge is stronger than the models are taking into account. That was a miss by ~10F in the forecast. Every day has been warmer than predicted.
Lake house just barely hit 71. And briefly. But it actually hit 71 in December and 73 in January.
Ours have been off by a few degrees. Yesterday ended up 2 or 3 degrees warmer than Monday's forecast. Today was supposed to be 63 and we beat that by 5 degrees. Tomorrow is supposed to be 63 but with rain so we'll see.
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Old 02-10-2021, 08:10 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Snow pack is holding steady here around 8 inches. Today was the 11th straight day with snow on the ground. I expect that streak to go at least another week or even two. We also have a nice month-long streak going without reaching 10C anywhere in the metro area, almost six weeks in fact for KNYC. All in all, it's not as disgustingly warm of a winter as I expected it to be, despite La Nina and the SE ridge and all of the other garbage in place.
In other words, an awful winter.
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Old 02-10-2021, 08:28 PM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Holy crap! This has to be record breaking if it verifies. Houston goes down to 15°F (KHOU) on Tuesday. Dallas close to 0°F and OKC at -15°F


https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/...828135427?s=20
I have never seen that before. It’s got some The Day After Tomorrow looks to it.
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Old 02-10-2021, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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Default Bookmark Model Insanity

Well, bring out the snow potential for the Ohio Valley. The model output couldn't possibly be much higher.

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Over two feet of snow potential on the 18Z run for Louisville and Cincinnati. The odd thing is that the 12Z run had only somewhat less...
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Old 02-10-2021, 09:19 PM
 
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Well, bring out the snow potential for the Ohio Valley. The model output couldn't possibly be much higher.

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Over two feet of snow potential on the 18Z run for Louisville and Cincinnati. The odd thing is that the 12Z run had only somewhat less...
You sure that's not supposed to be ice? We're having an ice storm right now that is due to continue for another 24 hours or so before departing for Virginia. Cincinnati and northern Kentucky had a major snowfall just last night - the rest of Kentucky gets ice instead.

For now: THREE significant snow storms will visit us next week.

The joys of winter...
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Old 02-10-2021, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Etobicoke
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Harbin is getting to 2C today. What a warm-up for that ice box.
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