Atheism As A REJECTION OF--Not Disbelief In--An Evil God (hell, genesis, quote)
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How would a god 'not care', when the entire point by which man created a god was to experience hope/support re: death, illness and morality based in fear? It wouldn't serve the purpose for which he was created.
that assume "the reason he created us was for ..."
that assume "the reason he created us was for ..."
The inference isn't he created us; but rather, man created (the idea) of him. Have you ever heard of anyone (no matter their particular religion) speak to an 'all knowing/all hating or evil god' who doesn't care? Of course not; there wouldn't be a point.
How would a god 'not care', when the entire point by which man created a god was to experience hope/support re: death, illness and morality based in fear? It wouldn't serve the purpose for which he was created.
You're forgetting that the level of suffering in this world is so great that it turns a large percentage of people away from God. If God's purpose is to try to teach us something He sure chose a half-baked away to do it. I'd expect an entity with the ultimate wisdom of a God to find a way to teach us the things you mention without turning a significant portion of the world population into agnosticism, atheism, deism, pantheism and a whole variety of belief systems contrary to what He's expecting. His method, unless there is some kind of higher purpose we cannot begin to fathom, is so slipshod it begs the question, "What in the possible hell can He be thinking?" I can think of one possibility: we are on this earth not to experience happiness, but to experience misery and pain. This is the first step in some greater purpose for our eternal-long growth. That's all I can come up with that offers a satisfactory explanation for God's apparent total disinterest in our human condition. For example, why do 95% of all fatal diseases involve suffering ranging from mild to extreme? If God were merciful why couldn't it be the other way around? Why couldn't it be 95% quick painless death, 5% long painful suffering, then death?
Right now I am watching a documentary about Cornavirus. The docu stated there are about 1.5 million known viruses. Almost all of them cause some degree of painful fatality. Why? What's the logical reason God created these devil viruses? To torment us? Doesn't that make Him an evil God? Maybe we should just eliminate the word "logical" because there's nothing logical about it.
I think the easiest way to cope with all this is to push God completely out of our minds. Forget Him. Trying to figure all this out just gives some of us a big, fat headache and who needs more pain. Treat Him like He doesn't exist the same way He treats us like we don't exist. That's the easiest way to go about our lives: things are the way they are. No rhyme, no reason. Period. I know it sounds like atheism, but for me I still know He's out there. I just treat Him like an ex- who dumped me. Out of sight, out of mind, out of life.
Last edited by thrillobyte; 05-09-2020 at 04:31 PM..
As I've said before. The non-existence of God makes everything fall into place. Only then does it makes any sense.
I also have no problems with abiogenesis and evolution to the current state we see today. The mind bogglingly complex and large genome is quite understandable.
To me anyway.
I go with the man created God concept. Now what that means in real terms is an unknown to me. I have a few ideas though.
As I've said before. The non-existence of God makes everything fall into place. Only then does it makes any sense.
I also have no problems with abiogenesis and evolution to the current state we see today. The mind bogglingly complex and large genome is quite understandable.
To me anyway.
I go with the man created God concept. Now what that means in real terms is an unknown to me. I have a few ideas though.
actually, we are in a system better described as alive makes everything fall into place. that offers a mechanism, has repeatable predictions, and holds true under more conditional changes than
As I've said before. The non-existence of God makes everything fall into place. Only then does it makes any sense.
I also have no problems with abiogenesis and evolution to the current state we see today. The mind bogglingly complex and large genome is quite understandable.
To me anyway.
I go with the man created God concept. Now what that means in real terms is an unknown to me. I have a few ideas though.
The inference isn't he created us; but rather, man created (the idea) of him. Have you ever heard of anyone (no matter their particular religion) speak to an 'all knowing/all hating or evil god' who doesn't care? Of course not; there wouldn't be a point.
You're forgetting that the level of suffering in this world is so great that it turns a large percentage of people away from God. If God's purpose is to try to teach us something He sure chose a half-baked away to do it. I'd expect an entity with the ultimate wisdom of a God to find a way to teach us the things you mention without turning a significant portion of the world population into agnosticism, atheism, deism, pantheism and a whole variety of belief systems contrary to what He's expecting. His method, unless there is some kind of higher purpose we cannot begin to fathom, is so slipshod it begs the question, "What in the possible hell can He be thinking?" I can think of one possibility: we are on this earth not to experience happiness, but to experience misery and pain. This is the first step in some greater purpose
Ask yourself, thrill, what kind of environment would be necessary to foster a completely independent and self motivated conscious mind that understands the difference between good and evil, recognizes suffering and injustice, and prefers love?
You claim no one is hand-waving, then you go on to do just that...
“Time working against the process? That alone is enough to NOT watch your video.
Your Discovery Institute video is refuted by 1) being a Discovery Institute video,...”
Your eagerness to dismiss information based the source of that information is not a trait of a logical thinker.
Another dishonest ad hominem from you, as I expected. I did not dismiss the information, I explained his error the first time you posted your video from the Dishonesty Institute. The probability of getting three heads from tossing three coins argument that you ignored. Using probability 101 to refute a dishonest source is rational, to post a refuted dishonest source is not.
And let me quote my argument you truncated in full. "Your Discovery Institute video is refuted by 1) being a Discovery Institute video, and 2) those 50 papers I linked to. Have you finished researching them all in your 'honest, open minded' search for truth?"
Have you done your homework, or did you flap your hands and fly away again?
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Originally Posted by Iwasmadenew
Your English is fine, your reasoning is infantile.
Probability 101 is infantile? Making stupid arguments like yours is not a trait of a logical thinker.
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Originally Posted by Iwasmadenew
I feel sorry for you. You’re a troubled individual who seems desperate to convince yourself that God doesn’t exist. You’ll learn the truth one day.
I feel sorry for YOU. You’re a troubled individual who seems desperate to convince yourself that your version of your god DOES exist. You already know the truth, that is why you have to constantly lie for your belief.
Have a MATForce medal, your services to atheism is amazing.
To assume your understanding of evolution is better than that of James Tour is monumentally delusional.
To presume James Tour is being honest is monumentally delusional.
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