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It is impossible to prove the non-existence of anything? That is not my position.
We do not need to, you need to show it IS. You have the extra burden.
"God Exists" is The Standard (for thousands of years)...if you are going make a claim that contradicts the long established Standard...the burden is on you.
Just like The Big BangTheory had to disprove the Steady State Theory that was The Standard at that time.
It is impossible to prove the non-existence of anything? That is not my position.
We do not need to, you need to show it IS. You have the extra burden.
Nonsense. We have the positive evidence that it is our Creator (however you wish to define God THAT is an essential attribute of God). That cannot be overcome by "you don't believe that is enough to be God." So the one with the extra burden is YOU to defeat the Creator attribute.
I'm not confused at all...I'm fully aware of the scam.
Because it's those that try to break out intentionally ambiguous terms like "NonBelief", "Disbelief", and "Lack Belief" trying to complicate the issue.
So they don't have to muster the character required to take a stand.
They definitely, and necessarily, have a "Belief" about it...but they try to play like they don't.
No guts...no glory. Some need to get hip to that.
I just don't think like you do...
I've never thought it took any kind of guts (or lack thereof) to simply tell anyone I am an atheist. Or to explain why. It's not a head trip of any kind. It's no different for me to simply tell anyone I believe the earth is round. Or to explain why.
We have met it. Only natural forces. You have the extra (cosmic consciousness or a god), not atheists.
BS. You have defined God (our Creator) as Natural forces which is not evidence that it isn't God. You cannot overcome the essential attribute by definition.
YOU'RE the one objecting. Therefore, the "burden" is on YOU.
If I go to court for a crime I'm accused of, it's not up to *me* to prove my innocence, but up to my 'accuser' to prove my guilt.
The "burden" is on the accuser...
Not exactly. Or maybe it's that we're not all talking about the same thing here...
If we're talking about a judge and jury deciding whether someone is guilty of something, then you are right. If we're talking about what the truth of these matters might be. To establish what is the truth with respect to the existence of a god, religion or spirituality, the burden falls on anyone who wants to either a) know the truth or b) claim to know the truth.
IOWs, the burden falls on all of us who want to know the truth of these matters. So we can judge and decide correctly. That is, of course, for anyone who actually cares to know the truth of these matters...
Sorry, absence of evidence can be evidence. Think Bayesian.
Looks out of the window, still no gods.
The problem or issue here too, and/or additionally...
Evidence, lack of evidence, proof, facts, reason and logic are not universally recognized as the same thing by all people, so you have some people who will find reason(s) to believe the earth is flat for example. While of course others will find the reason(s) to believe the earth is round. In this forum, there really is no arbiter with regard to establishing the truth of these matters. Not even the most simple basic truths, but as I always like to point out as well. I don't promote any notions to be true that most all reasonable, intelligent, mature people readily admit to be true as well. Like the example of the earth being round. I say that's true, and most if not all of you agree. Again no fuss or muss. Those are the facts and truths I know, and I don't claim anything else like others do that tend to make for all the controversy, debate, friction and ultimately even violence. Nobody is killing anyone because of the belief the earth is round, again for example.
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