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Come on, Arq . . . ex post facto is ex post facto . . . it is not about preventing anything. It is dredging up past actions for attack to make a mean-spirited and totally useless point. There IS no "establishment of religion" issue here and you know it! This is pure and simple anti-belief-in-God nonsense out of frustration. Abreaction . . . plain and simple . . . by zealots wanting to rub the new views about the law into the faces of the religionists who frustrated them so much over the years. I am disappointed that your otherwise sharp mind fails to see that there is no comparison between a bigoted professional pediatrician failing to treat a child and making a fuss over a memorial to a beloved teacher that has angels on it!!!!
Crosses and angels are Christian religious symbols; they have no place on any memorial located in/on public school property. Put the angels and crosses on the teacher's tombstone in the cemetery.
I am really sick and tired of bible-thumpers with no respect for anybody else's beliefs trying to force their religion onto other people's children in the public schools. You want religion in schools, then ante up the money to indoctrinate your own children with your own narrow-minded religious views in your own schools and leave everybody else's children alone.
And we are really sick of Bible haters minority who want to tear down traditions just so they can live in a bubble and never have to publically see anything religious. Schools got along just fine for many decades until ppl of your mindset caused chaos and clogged the courts with ridiculous lawsuits. A cross memorial is not forcing religion on you.
And we are really sick of Bible haters minority who want to tear down traditions just so they can live in a bubble and never have to publically see anything religious. Schools got along just fine for many decades until ppl of your mindset caused chaos and clogged the courts with ridiculous lawsuits. A cross memorial is not forcing religion on you.
And we are really sick of Bible haters minority who want to tear down traditions just so they can live in a bubble and never have to publically see anything religious. Schools got along just fine for many decades until ppl of your mindset caused chaos and clogged the courts with ridiculous lawsuits. A cross memorial is not forcing religion on you.
The same argument could be made for any number of things that have not been for the betterment of society . Just because things have been around for xyz number of years doesn't mean it's a good thing. What bothers people like you is not the fact that groups go after your beliefs being thrust upon people. Rather it's the fact that your clout on the subject has vanished to near zero, whereas the influence of a growing secular society is more apparent.
The same argument could be made for any number of things that have not been for the betterment of society . Just because things have been around for xyz number of years doesn't mean it's a good thing. What bothers people like you is not the fact that groups go after your beliefs being thrust upon people. Rather it's the fact that your clout on the subject has vanished to near zero, whereas the influence of a growing secular society is more apparent.
That's a distorted view of reality. Let's get back to reality. The vast number of the world's population has religious beliefs. Oh they may have fallen into the trap of getting caught up in our busy world's demands and push their religious beliefs to the wayside, but when the chips fall, you can beat they start praying.
Your opinion that religion is not for the betterment of society is merely your opinion and doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
No one worships a religious memorial. It is sufficiently detached from religious worship and entirely appropriate on public property.
Except it is not. A religious symbol should not be financed or accommodated on public institutions. Simple as that. Which has nothing to do with the lie you started the thread with.
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And we are really sick of Bible haters minority who want to tear down traditions just so they can live in a bubble and never have to publically see anything religious.
Such people only exist in your head. I have not seen anyone with an issue seeing religious things publically. I see it all the time. In peoples gardens and on their houses. On their cars. On their clothes. And much much more. And not a jot of it bothers me despite your ongoing and many times rebutted fantasy that we are all frothing at the mouth for seeing such things.
No, once again, and perhaps if we say it often enough you will stop contriving so hard to wantonly ignore it, the ONLY issue is when public institutions finance or accommodate such things. Nothing more. Nothing less. And you are so incapable of rebutting that fact, that you are forced instead to simply make stuff up about people like us to get haughty about instead.
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That's a distorted view of reality. Let's get back to reality.
You first, given how little of your posts on this thread has reflected actual reality at all, and you have consistently been simply making things up to suit yourself.
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Your opinion that religion is not for the betterment of society is merely your opinion and doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
You have not offered any arguments showing it betters any such thing however.
How many looked into this far enough to see that the memorial itself is an engraving on the 'sidewalk' approach the bench and has an angel engraved in it?
With the crosses removed the furor over the angel is probably going to disappear.
The crosses weren't particular to her like the plaque is.
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. Just because things have been around for xyz number of years doesn't mean it's a good thing. What bothers people like you is not the fact that groups go after your beliefs being thrust upon people. Rather it's the fact that your clout on the subject has vanished to near zero, whereas the influence of a growing secular society is more apparent.
