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Old 02-22-2015, 03:58 PM
 
Location: North America
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If someone had put up some sort of Wiccan symbol or what have you, and people were freaking all out, well, yeah the story would be different. Maybe it would be a story of "atheists and christians alike join together to oppose this poor woman's memorial because someone included Wiccan symbology on the memorial."

If there were Islamic symbols, maybe a bunch of christians would freak out and protest.

No matter what symbols there are, and which bunch of people are freaking out about it... the point is, it has nothing to do with the school itself, promoting a belief. It is a simple memorial.

People are stupid and petty to protest a memorial just because it has some crosses or angels or whatever. It's a memorial to a beloved teacher. People need to chill out and fight ACTUAL examples of their noble cause. (This one being separation of church and state.) To protest a memorial that was erected out of love for a beloved teacher and wanting to include what was important to HER, is not noble. In my opinion, of course.
A religious memorial has no place in the school, but rather someplace where religion is more appropriate. It has to do with the school because either they sanctioned its construction or allowed it on school property.
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Old 02-22-2015, 03:59 PM
 
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Using differences of opinion in no way invalidates the existence of a reasonable interpretation and application of law ex post facto.
And your point is?
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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How many of the same people would support this if the tombstone was engraved with the star and crescent and writing from the Quran on it
I'll tell you what would happen to that bench if it was placed in any of a thousand US towns or cities: It would be covered in graffiti urging Muslims to hurry up and seek Allah - only in stronger terms.

THAT'S the can of worms that's opened when any and all are allowed their icons to be publicly displayed.
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:04 PM
 
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A religious memorial has no place in the school, but rather someplace where religion is more appropriate. It has to do with the school because either they sanctioned its construction or allowed it on school property.

Well this is where we disagree. It's a memorial for a teacher. It's NOT a monument showcasing and promoting a religion.
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:09 PM
 
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I'll tell you what would happen to that bench if it was placed in any of a thousand US towns or cities: It would be covered in graffiti urging Muslims to hurry up and seek Allah - only in stronger terms.

THAT'S the can of worms that's opened when any and all are allowed their icons to be publicly displayed.
I agree with you there.
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:10 PM
 
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Well this is where we disagree. It's a memorial for a teacher. It's NOT a monument showcasing and promoting a religion.
Then there is no need for the religious icons. A memorial for a teacher should simply be about the teacher. If you are interested in honoring what she loved then you honor her by memorializing that. The fact that she was religious is just a part of her life, but not the reason she was loved at this school.
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:14 PM
 
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Then there is no need for the religious icons. A memorial for a teacher should simply be about the teacher. If you are interested in honoring what she loved then you honor her by memorializing that. The fact that she was religious is just a part of her life, but not the reason she was loved at this school.

Maybe she loved her religion.
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:18 PM
 
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A religious memorial has no place in the school, but rather someplace where religion is more appropriate. It has to do with the school because either they sanctioned its construction or allowed it on school property.
No one worships a religious memorial. It is sufficiently detached from religious worship and entirely appropriate on public property.
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:19 PM
 
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Maybe she loved her religion.
She possibly did, but she is being honored as a teacher not because of her beliefs. All that is relevant at the school is what she did there.
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:25 PM
 
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Well this is where we disagree. It's a memorial for a teacher. It's NOT a monument showcasing and promoting a religion.

Why not put it at the church she loved? Or, her parents house? Or the cemetery?

Why only on public property?
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