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You havent met many left-wing persons then, though you have "met" me.
The people in those polls, whichever ones they are, dont sound as ifthey thought the matter through very far, back in Nov. They'll be back when the fashion turns.
I think they are a part of the uninformed fence sitters, who vote without knowing who they are voting for, unfortunately i have siblings like that. I don't give them grief for not staying informed, because I was in my late twenties before I paid attention to politics, i thank the first few months of Clinton's presidency for that. Maybe 0bama will be their catalyst.
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As delu said, "you haven't met me", or my DH, my grown daughter or any of the many "libs" that I know. Most adults I know, liberal and conservative, are working hard to get ahead a little.
Agreed, I should clarify that I'm speaking mostly of the elected politicians. But the ordinary person who tells me they are a liberal, or die hard democrat, are always in favor of more government, and bigger social programs and raising taxes is always excepted as the way it has to be. There has to be limits on how big a government budget can become or how much of our income they can simply take from us. Otherwise we are just frogs in a tin pot, waiting for the water to come to a boil.
Maybe you should hire an accountant who will help you evade your cruel burden.
Donations to charity - the highest number are made by poor people in the south, to or through their churches. Not by better-off people who give for tax purposes.
A better accountant? You mean so I can cheat on my taxes like the wealthy democrats do (see Charlie Rangle, Tim Geitner, and Tom Daschle). So you agree that I pay too much in taxes, and that my taxes should not be increased, correct? When you say "cruel burden", I actually do think it is quite unjust. As you do not have to pay it, I am sure it is perfectly okay with you. Given that I am not greedy or selfish, I would not wish such a tax burden on anyone else. However, those that only take and do not give are often quite greedy and inconsiderate of their fellow man, so they do not care.
Republicans donate more to charity than democrats. The highest %, not total dollar amount, is made by the poor in the south. This is partly due to lower incomes, therefore a smaller dollar amount will be a higher percentage.
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I would be happy to answer that if you would like to start it.
But does my stance on the death penalty and gay marriage allow me to answer as a conservative?
I have no idea, I say hang 'em and let 'em marry, in that order.
I am just wondering what all of you Left Wingers really want? What is your perfect world? What is the final plan? AND just how much should taxes be to pay for all your "dream programs"? or how do you think it will all be paid for?
I sit and watch all the name calling and the bitterness and passion you people have for this cause. OK so lay the cards out...what is it that you want and who should pay for it. What will it take for all of you to just shut up, be happy and quit attacking?
What Christ called for, elementary justice and fairness all. Real simple.
A better accountant? You mean so I can cheat on my taxes like the wealthy democrats do (see Charlie Rangle, Tim Geitner, and Tom Daschle). So you agree that I pay too much in taxes, and that my taxes should not be increased, correct? When you say "cruel burden", I actually do think it is quite unjust. As you do not have to pay it, I am sure it is perfectly okay with you. Given that I am not greedy or selfish, I would not wish such a tax burden on anyone else. However, those that only take and do not give are often quite greedy and inconsiderate of their fellow man, so they do not care.
It's very hard to pity a person who cries because he has to pay half a million dollars a year in taxes. Yeah, a better accountant since you're so tormented by your present situation. I dont agree that you pay too much in taxes, I think you personally should pay 50% on 80%, lol. Only greedy, selfish people proclaim that they're not greedy or selfish. Your only posts on this entire board have been to whine about your tragic tax affliction.
It's your own fault if you cant manage your money and you dont count your blessings.
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Republicans donate more to charity than democrats. The highest %, not total dollar amount, is made by the poor in the south. This is partly due to lower incomes, therefore a smaller dollar amount will be a higher percentage.
Do you comprehend that that % means it's more of a burden on the poor, and therefore it's the more charitable gesture? I cant believe you're slighting the sacrifices of the poor. Well, scratch that, I absolutely can believe it.
It's very hard to pity a person who cries because he has to pay half a million dollars a year in taxes. Yeah, a better accountant since you're so tormented by your present situation. I dont agree that you pay too much in taxes, I think you personally should pay 50% on 80%, lol. Only greedy, selfish people proclaim that they're not greedy or selfish. Your only posts on this entire board have been to whine about your tragic tax affliction.
It's your own fault if you cant manage your money and you dont count your blessings.
Do you comprehend that that % means it's more of a burden on the poor, and therefore it's the more charitable gesture? I cant believe you're slighting the sacrifices of the poor. Well, scratch that, I absolutely can believe it.
I can manage my money fine. That is why I am wealthy and you are poor. It is not your right to confiscate what other people earn. I donate over $100 K to charity each year. How much do you donate? It is morally wrong to steal from one person and give to another who has not earned it. This is the problem with socialism- it is governmental stealing on a grand scale to detract from the productive and support the non productive elements of society.
Yes, I think that all you libs who advocate these pointless expensive programs should put your money where your mouth is and actually pay SOMETHING, ANYTHING for these things you want. Your lack of financial sacrifice for these programs validates your lack of conviction and dedication to your causes. In short, you are frauds. You will not do anything, except complain, to support these positions. No voluntary work and no financial contributions. False "conscience" is cheap- libs feel better about whining, but only the conservatives roll up thier sleeves and actually work and contribute financially. Don't ***** to me about the things you want. I wanted things when I was poor but did not whine about it.
I count my blessings every day and thank God for my life, despite a rather rough start. I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth, to quote The Who. Thank God I did not digest the liberal great society crap, or I would be poor. I wonder how many people did not dodge a bullet and were convinced of the mindless rhetoric of these leftist idiots.
I was a poor white trash kid. I saw liberalism from a unique perspective, in that a liberal cannot understand how a trailer trash thug can be intelligent. They are focused on class separation and only "associate" with the poor to assuage thier liberal guilt. The libs want to bury the poor and keep them there. Had I listened to you twits as a kid, I would be an auto mechanic or factory worker (I tested high for proclivity in auto mechanics, which is probably why I collect old cars now). The guidance counselor, a lib, brought me in to discuss his displeasure at my getting a full ride academic scholarship at one school and a half atheletic/academic scholarship at another. "I thought we had agreed that you would consider a trade apprenticeship or trade school". The twit looked at my discipline record and the fact that I was trailer trash and was completely unaware that I had a 35 ACT score and had straight "A"s. That is the liberal mind at work. Keep the peasants down and make them dependent. They are little people and do not understand the complexities of liberalism. That day, I became a conservative. A poor one, but a conservative, as I realized these people were out of thier minds.
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How is it a 'noble' question? Jenny has earplugs in when it comes to who is really doing the attacking.
What do I, as someone on the 'left' want? Fairness, understanding and some little acknowledgement that a humane country does not let some large proportion of its citizens suffer needlessly when there are alternatives. I would also like some little recognition of the fact that some huge proportion of the population suffers from 'I got mine, now get lost' syndrome but scream the loudest when it looks like someone else is gonna get 'some.'
What do you consider 'dream programs' OP? Medicare, SCHip, free public education, voluntary military service?
24/7 police and fire protection? The 'best' healthcare system in the free world?
What would you have denied the populace of earlier generations? No workplace safety laws? Ever heard of the Triangle Fire? No food inspections? Any idea how many people died from trichinosis? No vaccinations? Know anyone who suffered with polio?
Which of these would you have voted against?
I don't believe that there is a 'perfect world', at least not here on this plane of existence, however, I believe that there can be a just world or at the very least one in which we handle ourselves with a little decorum and humility intead of constantly acting as if we are auditioning for a spot on 'Jerry Springer.'
Exactly. What would these people have said in 1964 (Civil Rights) or 1935 (Soc. Security) or 1904 (Workplace regulations/rights)? There are still people on this forum who diss Lincoln because his interference in the slavery issue took away certain states' rights. Boo freakin' hoo.
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