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Interesting read of posts. All the left wants to do is get rid of the right.
No expansions of social programs ?
No new social programs ?
No new laws ?
No modification of existing laws ?
Seems all you want is a one party system.
Then I guess you didn't read all of the posts. If you had, you would see where you're wrong.
Interesting read of posts. All the left wants to do is get rid of the right.
No expansions of social programs ?
No new social programs ?
No new laws ?
No modification of existing laws ?
Yes, there are a couple righties on here who don't resort immediately to insults. Then you've got the ones who can't seem to help themselves. And it's weird, because almost every post of theirs is just childish rambling & insults w/nothing in between. And when you question them about it, they either ignore you completely or just reiterate the rambling they just did previously. I think you know who I'm talking about.
I'm sure we could all name names, but that is against the TOS and would just get this thread even nastier, and maybe get some of us infractions as well.
Point is, many times when I have provided a link disproving unequivicolly something a RW has said, they usually just drop the subject. The "Kool-Aid" talk is a little annoying, too, adds no substance to any debate.
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Originally Posted by Wapasha
They believe the majority of people are unable to function, or make decisions on their own, and are only capable of playing computer games, or enjoying their leisure time, and the federal government should take care of all their bothersome grownup responsibilities for them. They truly believe that all answers and all solutions come from total federal government control of our lives. Think Soviet Union with a higher standard of living.
Those people who are able to make decisions and function w/o government, are simply winners in life's lottery, and should be overtaxed to pay for the rest of the unfortunate masses.
As delu said, "you haven't met me", or my DH, my grown daughter or any of the many "libs" that I know. Most adults I know, liberal and conservative, are working hard to get ahead a little.
I think the problem is that we are trying to fix problems with culture with untenable changes in policy.
The current culture is extremely entitled and the average american has moved far, far away from personal fiscal responsibility and restraint. The corporations have not been a good example, either.
Health care cannot ever be called a right until people are personally responsible for their own health first. Don't screw up your own health and then ask others to take care of you.
If you are going to mandate other people's money be spent on your health care, you are going to have to play by rules you won't like. Personal freedoms will have to be restricted. That's not how America works. That is how UHC systems in other countries work.
You can't have it both ways - do whatever I want but expect society to take care of me. You owe society the debt of taking the best care of yourself as possible first.
People have bought into this idea that they deserve houses, cars, tvs, eating out, and even children. No. These are things you can have if you can afford them. Now we're in a culture where these are all considered 'rights.' No wonder there's a problem.
Trying to fix american attitudes by passing out more money is not going to work very well and of course that is going to be expensive.
My 'right wing attitude' is that all I owe you (other american) is the respect of another citizen and the opportunity for advancement. And most times, I will even go out of my way to pull you up, because I know that betters all of society.
But legislating that I give you my hard earned money because you don't want to work as hard as I do...therein lies my biggest problem with the left.
They (liberals) somehow think everyone is entitled to something just for being alive and a human being. No, I don't think so.
I am just wondering what all of you Left Wingers really want? What is your perfect world? What is the final plan? AND just how much should taxes be to pay for all your "dream programs"? or how do you think it will all be paid for?
I sit and watch all the name calling and the bitterness and passion you people have for this cause. OK so lay the cards out...what is it that you want and who should pay for it. What will it take for all of you to just shut up, be happy and quit attacking?
Great questions, Jenny. I can't wait to read the answers you get!
sit and watch all the name calling and the bitterness and passion you people have for this cause. OK so lay the cards out...what is it that you want and who should pay for it. What will it take for all of you to just shut up, be happy and quit attacking?
As I think about the above, what you want Jenny is for everyone who has the least little idea for change to shut up and accept the status quo, even though the status quo was voted out of office!
I think the problem is that we are trying to fix problems with culture with untenable changes in policy.
The current culture is extremely entitled and the average american has moved far, far away from personal fiscal responsibility and restraint. The corporations have not been a good example, either.
Health care cannot ever be called a right until people are personally responsible for their own health first. Don't screw up your own health and then ask others to take care of you.
If you are going to mandate other people's money be spent on your health care, you are going to have to play by rules you won't like. Personal freedoms will have to be restricted. That's not how America works. That is how UHC systems in other countries work.
You can't have it both ways - do whatever I want but expect society to take care of me. You owe society the debt of taking the best care of yourself as possible first.
People have bought into this idea that they deserve houses, cars, tvs, eating out, and even children. No. These are things you can have if you can afford them. Now we're in a culture where these are all considered 'rights.' No wonder there's a problem.
Trying to fix american attitudes by passing out more money is not going to work very well and of course that is going to be expensive.
My 'right wing attitude' is that all I owe you (other american) is the respect of another citizen and the opportunity for advancement. And most times, I will even go out of my way to pull you up, because I know that betters all of society.
But legislating that I give you my hard earned money because you don't want to work as hard as I do...therein lies my biggest problem with the left.
They (liberals) somehow think everyone is entitled to something just for being alive and a human being. No, I don't think so.
are you talking about the public option health care plan? many companies dont offer affordable health care, or health care at all, to their employees. What is your suggestion?
Well OP, if that isn't just the pot calling the kettle black. I would like gay marriage to be legal in all states. You people on the right keep harping about how it's not a big issue, so why spend so much time on it. That's right, if it's not a big issue, then you shouldn't have a problem w/it getting passed. I would like to see our military get out of countries where we are there strictly for political reasons & start helping out countries that truly need it. I would like to start seeing people do their part, any little bit helps, in helping the environment. I'm tired of people who gripe about the littlest things. Is it really that hard to recycle, reduce, reuse? I want healthcare for all. For those against it, something is very wrong w/you. I would like to see less development & urban sprawl, more building up & preservation of habitats. As far as taxes go...there's only 2 things guaranteed in life: death & taxes. I have no economic solution because..well, I'm not an economist. I would like the religious people to worry about their own churches, not what people on the outside are doing. I would like politicians to stop being swayed by corporations & the religious right. Start thinking for themselves. I would like the right to take a bit of their own advice & stay out of people's business. You're for smaller government, but only in terms of money. I've never understood that, when it comes to social issues, the right have their nose smack up in people's butts. Talk about hypocritical. You want small government, then own up to it in ALL aspects, not just the ones that end up w/ money in your pocket.
I am a conservative/libertarian
I am ok with gay marriage, I am ok with getting out troops out of all countries. I am ok with getting us out of the UN, NATO and WTO, Nafta, cafta. If you believe if you want religious and corporations not to control washington then you better get the POWER out of washington. More money in taxes to washington creates more power and more power creates big government. Recycling is a individual and state issue of which should be handled in the states. I would like healthcare for all but I believe in funding it different and I dont think the government has a place in it. Because as you can see government so big creates the one thing you hate someone telling you how to live and who you can marriage. Healthcare will become a social issue by the right and left once government has a hand in it and create a issue of who gets coverage, what you eat and who you have sex with. Funding healthcare different and not via taxes and you might see something you never thought of FREEDOM.
taxes are man made death is not. If you want urban dev, preservation again something that can be done without taxes and most importantly without washington think local think individuals.
are you talking about the public option health care plan? many companies dont offer affordable health care, or health care at all, to their employees. What is your suggestion?
here in lies the problem...you dont understand that HEALTH INSURANCE is not HEALTH CARE
EVERYONE already has HEALTH CARE...all you have to do is go to the doctor....but remember he/she is PROVIDING A SERVICE, why not pay for the SERVICE
I remember when the was NO SUCH THING as health INSURANCE...what you had was HOSPITALIZATION,,, which was for SERIOUS problems...a basic visit to the doctor (50 bucks) can be easily paid out of pocket instead if EXPECTING a health INSURANCE company to pay for it......when you need tires for your car do you call the auto INSURANCE company....nope
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I would like gay marriage to be legal in all states. You people on the right keep harping about how it's not a big issue, so why spend so much time on it. That's right, if it's not a big issue, then you shouldn't have a problem w/it getting passed. I would like to see our military get out of countries where we are there strictly for political reasons & start helping out countries that truly need it. I would like to start seeing people do their part, any little bit helps, in helping the environment. I'm tired of people who gripe about the littlest things. Is it really that hard to recycle, reduce, reuse? I want healthcare for all. For those against it, something is very wrong w/you. I would like to see less development & urban sprawl, more building up & preservation of habitats. As far as taxes go...there's only 2 things guaranteed in life: death & taxes. I have no economic solution because..well, I'm not an economist. I would like the religious people to worry about their own churches, not what people on the outside are doing. I would like politicians to stop being swayed by corporations & the religious right. Start thinking for themselves. I would like the right to take a bit of their own advice & stay out of people's business. You're for smaller government, but only in terms of money. I've never understood that, when it comes to social issues, the right have their nose smack up in people's butts. Talk about hypocritical. You want small government, then own up to it in ALL aspects, not just the ones that end up w/ money in your pocket.
