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Old 10-26-2022, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Southeast Arizona
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In Kherson over the last few days the Russians have taken down and dismantled statues of old Russian war heroes General Alexander Suvorov and Admiral Fyador Ushokov. They have also taken the grave of and disinterred 18th Century Russian Field Marshal Grigory Potemkin who is buried at a local Orthodox Cathedral there.

I find it interesting that the press labels that of "stealing" Ukrainian war monuments when it's figures from the Russian Empire that are being taken. As well as art from local museums. Is there looting by soldiers? Hell yes.

But this tells me that Kherson is about to turn into Stalingrad and the Russians may be trying to save cultural artifacts relevant to their military.

I'm also surprised about there being a few Axis/Nazi/Blood and Soil monuments there are in Ukraine, in Lviv there's a pretty lavish monument to Stepan Bandera, a Nazi collaborator and Ukrainian Nationalist who was Hitler's inside man in Ukraine at the start of the war and later turned to fight both the SS and Soviets. Hell, I didn't even know there was a SS Galacia (14th Waffen Grenadier Division, Ukrainian SS, the grandpappies of the modern Azov Brigade) in a POW cemetery in Canada.
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Old 10-26-2022, 07:05 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Who knows who is in Ukraine. Some speak American English. But our weapons our tech and we are taking care financially of Ukraine like a 13 year old girl. Hell we're paying salaries pensions I bet we're even buying lunch. So who ya kidding?
I am starting to question your age.
So I am putting you on ignore.


Bye.
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Old 10-26-2022, 07:48 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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I'm puzzled as to why the Russians would think that they could attack despite being outnumbered and think things would turn out well.

Just seems like the people at the top have done a disservice to the average Russian grunt with their tactics, equipment and overall planning.
The answer might be that Putin thought Ukraine would be like Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968. The Russian army would roll in, fight a little bit, Russia would execute some of the leaders, and they would go back to being a Russian puppet state.
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Old 10-26-2022, 09:17 PM
 
Location: az
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The whole Tet offensive was a disastrous military defeat for the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong. The cream of the Viet Cong was basically wiped out.

But it was a propaganda victory. That was when US support for the war started dragging. 4 years later, we left and 3 years after, the South Vietnamese army collapsed.

The Russians have already faced their Tet offensive, except it was a military defeat for them. As with us in Vietnam and the Russians and us in Afghanistan, the Russians will get tired of the war, if they don't get beaten first, as the French were in Vietnam. Controlling a large populous country with significant opposition is a very, very high cost proposition.
But what kept the US Military up at night was the unspoken, unspeakable, possibility that Khe Sanh could fall. What if the estimated tens of thousands of NVA really were out there. What if they wanted Khe Sanh so badly they are willing to maneuver over the triple lines of razor wire, over barricades formed by their own dead, coming in waves and in such numbers the barrels of the 50 caliber guns overheated and melted and all the M-16s are jammed, until all the death in all of the claymore mines had been spent and absorbed. What if they are still coming moving towards the center of the base, coming at you 30k- 40k strong? And what if they pass over every barricade we can put in their way... and kill every living thing, defending or retreating and take Khe Sanh?
The End of the Line by Robert Pisor

However, the US airpower made the difference and a ground assault was never attempted.

Most feared by the NVA were B-52 strikes. Or as the NVA soldier mentioned in my previous post put it, "Without warning the earth would erupt and when it was over everything was just....gone.
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Old 10-26-2022, 09:19 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Attempting to chuckle off the US theft of Syrian resources, while moaning about Russia stealing Ukrainian resources his incredibly hypocritical. Why the hypocrisy? Why not just admit what is happening?
Why is it ok for the US to facilitate the theft from the country of Syria?


Article from last week:

US forces steal 92 tankers of oil, wheat from Syria to Iraq


The Syrian Oil Ministry said in August that the US forces were stealing 80 per cent of Syria’s oil production, causing direct and indirect losses of about $107.1 billion to Syria’s oil and gas sectors.....

https://www.canindia.com/us-forces-s...syria-to-iraq/
Uh... Ticking?
The article was talking about tanker trucks, not ships.

It amounts to petty theft.


Then they claim it was 80% of production and "amounts to billions". That's a pretty big truck!
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Old 10-26-2022, 10:10 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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Doesn't matter if it were talking about wheelbarrows. The point remains. Why is it ok to chuckle about US theft and then jump up and down about other nations following suit?

Article states US is stealing Syrian resources. Syria claims it is 80% of the oil their country's production.

You must not be able to comprehend the article too well. It states it was 92 tankers/trucks this Monday. It has been happening since 2014, and the total losses are estimated at 107 billion over that time. So you 'petty theft' claim is bogus, as usual.

It is ok for US forces to do the stealing, but no other nation is permitted. Demonstrates US hypocrisy, and why much of the world is tacit supporting Russia, against US wishes and sanctions.
Are you saying that the U.S. military is in the oil and grain business? Where do they sell the stuff they steal? Do the proceeds go to the U.S. Treasury or to a special military slush fund?
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Old 10-26-2022, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Europe’s liquified natural gas storage tanks are now so full that takers are just sitting in ports waiting to unload. A mild September in many large countries kept the burn rate low but they didn’t want to cut import orders so now they have no place else to put it-

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/26/energ...nge/index.html
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Old 10-26-2022, 11:55 PM
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https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...society-a79116
Interesting piece on the Russian mentality, 8 months into the war.

"How has the invasion of Ukraine changed Russian society? The truth is, the war has served to further accelerate the fracturing of Russian identity, which, since 2014 and even before, could broadly be divided into three groups: loyalists, statists, and dissenters.

Even after the annexation of Crimea, members of the three groups could still be civil to each other at the dinner table. But communication between their members has become increasingly hard to sustain. People have in many cases simply given up on each other — just as some Ukrainians gave up on their Russian relatives when they chose to believe news reports from state media over the eyewitness accounts of their own family members.

Despite all the focus on the conflict, it is now harder than ever to get an accurate sense of the impact of the war on Russian society. The worse the prospects on the battlefield and the greater the repression, the more skewed and biased the reports. As an anthropologist with decades of experience in the country, I’m continually struck by the lack of grounded perspectives....

Since the war began, I’ve argued that rather than rally-round-the-flag — a positive approval of war — what we have mainly been seeing is defensive consolidation — a kind of negative patriotic response. Defensive consolidation is an acknowledgment of Russia’s isolation and its weakness. It is not about jingoistic expressions of loyalty to the leadership, but rather a jaded sense of "we’re all in this boat together, and we have no other.....""
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Old 10-27-2022, 02:13 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I'm puzzled as to why the Russians would think that they could attack despite being outnumbered and think things would turn out well.

Just seems like the people at the top have done a disservice to the average Russian grunt with their tactics, equipment and overall planning.
Pretty much, Russia had 30 years to improve its military. It doesn't seem like they did a very good job. You want troops to fight for you, you need to pay them, feed them, shelter them, give them good equipment, benefits, and training.
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Old 10-27-2022, 05:18 AM
 
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Attempting to chuckle off the US theft of Syrian resources, while moaning about Russia stealing Ukrainian resources his incredibly hypocritical. Why the hypocrisy? Why not just admit what is happening?
Why is it ok for the US to facilitate the theft from the country of Syria?


Article from last week:

US forces steal 92 tankers of oil, wheat from Syria to Iraq


The Syrian Oil Ministry said in August that the US forces were stealing 80 per cent of Syria’s oil production, causing direct and indirect losses of about $107.1 billion to Syria’s oil and gas sectors.....

https://www.canindia.com/us-forces-s...syria-to-iraq/
What does this have to do with the Ukraine invasion? Nothing.

Start a new thread if you want to discuss items from biased websites.
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