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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.80%
No 255 50.50%
Unsure 49 9.70%
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Old 10-26-2022, 10:07 AM
 
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And there was recently another vote "IN FAVOR" of merging with Russia.
No one believes these referendums and annexations are legal or binding in some way. In the entire world there are a couple of posters on CD who seem to, but no one else.
This is the same theme which other posters have raised: legitimacy, recognition. "No one?" You mean no country or almost no country - or no country which (to you) matters, which means the U.S. and the west and their allies.

And who is in charge of Crimea now?

What laws have been in effect there? What constitution is the one that applies to those people who have lived in Crimea since that referendum and then, the merger?

"No one." Right.

YOU don't want to acknowledge the referendum as merger as legitimate, in large part because you personally detest Russia (and have repeatedly written here you wish for Russia to face ruin, even if this means innocent Russian civilians suffer greatly as a result).

But what you don't think is legitimate has zero bearing on the facts on the ground. And those facts are: Russia is in charge; Crimea returned to Russia; Crimea is Russian; Crimea is Russia.

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Old 10-26-2022, 10:13 AM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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Putin's plan is to make Ukraine and Europe suffer a "cold, dark winter."

Will this harden resolve or weaken it?
Reminiscent of the 1948-49 Soviet blockade of rail, road, and water access to Allied-controlled areas of Berlin, but on a much larger scale.
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Old 10-26-2022, 10:21 AM
 
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Helping Ukraine is probably the worst decision the US is making because it is the #1 cause of world wide inflation due to energy and various resource price spikes.

Price of Oil, NG, fertilizer, wheat, various raw materials that came from Ukraine and Russia export accounted for double digit of world consumption suddenly taken off market due to sanctions.

The Biden admin knew damn well that sanctions will not hurt Russia as long as China, North Korea, India, middle Eastern countries continue to do business with Russia as well as OPEC.

The people that are the most hurt from the sanctions are Europe, South America, middle class Americans.

I think the purpose of US involvement was intentionally driving up the prices of commodities.

There's no reason that Russia would purposely sabotage the Nord Stream pipeline, the US most likely did it with underwater drones. Since the pipelines blew up a week after Putin stated that he's open to the idea of releasing NG into Europe if they are willing to negotiate down the sanctions. The media blames Russia but the fact is, they have no reason to destroy it when they wouldn't benefit from it.

As us Americans, we really need to realize that our government doesn't look out for us. If you have Korean, Vietnam, Iraq War vets in the family. Ask them what has those wars contributed for our country and it's people? Why do we get involved in policing other countries that aren't looking to hurt us. Are we always looking to bully other countries around unless they have nukes?
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Old 10-26-2022, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Russia invaded Ukraine....

Russia is intentionally killing civilians....

if Putin takes over Ukraine he won't stop there....

Putin must be killed or removed...

as an American I fully support our countries endeavors and costs to make this happen...

damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead...
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Old 10-26-2022, 10:47 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Today there is this news, with more details on the dirty bomb false-flag operation planned by Ukraine:


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The Kiev regime has completed technical preparations for a provocation with a "dirty bomb" - RIA Novosti source

Specialists of the Ukrainian enterprise Yuzhmash have prepared a dummy missile of the Iskander complex, which is planned to be filled with radioactive material, and then allegedly shot down over the exclusion zone of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant by Ukrainian air defense forces and announce the launch of a nuclear charge by the Russian armed forces.

The source clarified that the model of the Iskander missile was made on the basis of a projectile from the Tochka-U missile system.

“After the dummy is knocked down, the Kiev authorities intend to show the Western and Ukrainian media fragments of the mock-up and electronics of the alleged Iskander missile in order to convince the Western public of Russia’s guilt,†the agency’s source claims.

https://t.me/intelslava/40049
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Old 10-26-2022, 10:57 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Russia invaded Ukraine....

Russia is intentionally killing civilians....

if Putin takes over Ukraine he won't stop there....

Putin must be killed or removed...

as an American I fully support our countries endeavors and costs to make this happen...

damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead...

Nothing has changed it seems, after 6+ weeks I was absent...

Russia is not killing civilians.
Just yesterday the UN released a report which said that so far only about 6400 civilians died in the war. 61% of them in the Donbass republics, i.e. pro-Russians killed by Ukrainians.
Many of the remaining 3000 or so died in the other oblasts that decided to join Russia.
In the rest of Ukraine very few civilians died, collateral damage.
Regarding Bucha, we already know that the dead civilians started to show up on the streets only 2 days after the Russians had already left the place. Simply because they were murdered in cold blood by the SBU, who had actually announced they would purge the city. The West is denying something that even some Ukrainians openly admit.

Yes, Russia invaded Ukraine, so what, the Allies invaded Nazi Germany. Just because a country gets invaded does not mean that it is the poor innocent victim. In both cases, quite to the contrary.

Putin has no interest in taking over anything, let alone a dump like Ukraine. But he won't accept a crazy nazi regime next doors threatening Russia. Ukrainians could get rid of their regime by themselves, if they were decent people.
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Old 10-26-2022, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Neuling!!!!!.....welcome back.....not...
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Old 10-26-2022, 11:04 AM
 
Location: north bama
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i may have asked before but dont remember the answer .. why is Ukraine not bombing Moscow ?
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Old 10-26-2022, 11:13 AM
 
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Russia invaded Ukraine....

Russia is intentionally killing civilians....

if Putin takes over Ukraine he won't stop there....

Putin must be killed or removed...

as an American I fully support our countries endeavors and costs to make this happen...

damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead...
Same here.
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Old 10-26-2022, 11:25 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Neuling!!!!!.....welcome back.....not...
Yeah, I understand that reason and truth are not welcome here...
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