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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.72%
No 256 50.59%
Unsure 49 9.68%
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Old 10-26-2022, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Yeah, I understand that reason and truth are not welcome here...

nor is outlandish propaganda to the point of absurdity...
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Old 10-26-2022, 11:37 AM
 
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i may have asked before but dont remember the answer .. why is Ukraine not bombing Moscow ?
The cowardly West wants to appease Putin, so they supply weapons to Ukraine on the condition that Ukraine does not use the weapons to attack Russia. On their own, Ukrainians don't have weapons that can attack Russia in any meaningful way.
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Old 10-26-2022, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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i may have asked before but dont remember the answer .. why is Ukraine not bombing Moscow ?

they don't have the capability to do so...they can barely defend against their enemy of superior numbers of weapons and troops..

but defend they are...and against all odds, they are kicking Russia's ass..
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Old 10-26-2022, 11:41 AM
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Helping Ukraine is probably the worst decision the US is making because it is the #1 cause of world wide inflation due to energy and various resource price spikes.

Price of Oil, NG, fertilizer, wheat, various raw materials that came from Ukraine and Russia export accounted for double digit of world consumption suddenly taken off market due to sanctions.

The Biden admin knew damn well that sanctions will not hurt Russia as long as China, North Korea, India, middle Eastern countries continue to do business with Russia as well as OPEC.

The people that are the most hurt from the sanctions are Europe, South America, middle class Americans.

I think the purpose of US involvement was intentionally driving up the prices of commodities.

There's no reason that Russia would purposely sabotage the Nord Stream pipeline, the US most likely did it with underwater drones. Since the pipelines blew up a week after Putin stated that he's open to the idea of releasing NG into Europe if they are willing to negotiate down the sanctions. The media blames Russia but the fact is, they have no reason to destroy it when they wouldn't benefit from it.

As us Americans, we really need to realize that our government doesn't look out for us. If you have Korean, Vietnam, Iraq War vets in the family. Ask them what has those wars contributed for our country and it's people? Why do we get involved in policing other countries that aren't looking to hurt us. Are we always looking to bully other countries around unless they have nukes?
The war would still be going on whether we helped them or not. They drove them back from Kiev before massive western aid came in.

Its Putin's decision that has created this and only Putin or a putsch in Moscow or a Ukrainian victory can end this.
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Old 10-26-2022, 11:51 AM
 
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Interesting article from Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...s-russia-base/

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BALAKLIIA, Ukraine – The Russian soldiers had fled weeks before. But they left their traces everywhere.

Concrete steps led into the basement of their hastily abandoned headquarters in this small riverside town in eastern Ukraine. A bunker smelling of damp lay behind a steel door marked “Command Group.” Papers, some charred, were stuffed into a furnace. Others were scattered across the floor.

In a floral notebook, an unnamed staff officer left a sketch of a cartoon soldier and mused about going home. The book’s 91 handwritten pages contained other information, too: coordinates of Russian intelligence units, records of calls from commanders, details of battles, men killed and equipment destroyed. And accounts of a breakdown in morale and discipline.

In all, the bunker yielded thousands of pages of documents. Reuters reviewed more than a thousand of them. They detail the inner workings of the Russian military and shed new light on events leading up to one of President Vladimir Putin's most stinging battlefield defeats: Russia’s chaotic retreat from Ukraine’s northeast in September.

[…]
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Old 10-26-2022, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Russia invaded Ukraine....

Russia is intentionally killing civilians....

if Putin takes over Ukraine he won't stop there....

Putin must be killed or removed...

as an American I fully support our countries endeavors and costs to make this happen...

damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead...
So little time where does one even start widdat? Wrong footed in every way imaginable.
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Old 10-26-2022, 12:07 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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If Russia comes away from the Ukraine war with a portion of Ukraine, that portion will be regarded with the same skepticism as South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Both those areas are regarded as occupied portions of Georgia and not part of Russia.
Russia agreed to leave South Ossetia and Abkhazia but has not done so. So negotiating some sort of settlement that includes a future withdrawal will probably not happen.
The Russian occupation, and the ensuing recognition by Moscow of the “independence” of portions of foreign countries, represent material breaches of international law and an active disregard for the Charter of the United Nations, and the founding principles of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) embodied in the Helsinki Final Act and subsequent OSCE commitments.
Russia can stop the pain by withdrawing from Ukraine.


Those posters advancing the ludicrous idea that parts of Ukraine actually do not belong to Ukraine are uninformed. International law (see above) is on the side of Ukraine.
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Old 10-26-2022, 12:12 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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You only need to read the sentences in this response that I bolded.

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Nothing has changed it seems, after 6+ weeks I was absent...

Russia is not killing civilians.
Just yesterday the UN released a report which said that so far only about 6400 civilians died in the war. 61% of them in the Donbass republics, i.e. pro-Russians killed by Ukrainians.
Many of the remaining 3000 or so died in the other oblasts that decided to join Russia.
In the rest of Ukraine very few civilians died, collateral damage.
Regarding Bucha, we already know that the dead civilians started to show up on the streets only 2 days after the Russians had already left the place. Simply because they were murdered in cold blood by the SBU, who had actually announced they would purge the city. The West is denying something that even some Ukrainians openly admit.

Yes, Russia invaded Ukraine, so what, the Allies invaded Nazi Germany. Just because a country gets invaded does not mean that it is the poor innocent victim. In both cases, quite to the contrary.

Putin has no interest in taking over anything, let alone a dump like Ukraine. But he won't accept a crazy nazi regime next doors threatening Russia. Ukrainians could get rid of their regime by themselves, if they were decent people.
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Old 10-26-2022, 12:12 PM
 
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they don't have the capability to do so...they can barely defend against their enemy of superior numbers of weapons and troops..

but defend they are...and against all odds, they are kicking Russia's ass..
No, they actually have a significant numerical advantage. There is a general mobilization order.
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Old 10-26-2022, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Durham NC
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If Russia comes away from the Ukraine war with a portion of Ukraine, that portion will be regarded with the same skepticism as South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Both those areas are regarded as occupied portions of Georgia and not part of Russia.
Russia agreed to leave South Ossetia and Abkhazia but has not done so. So negotiating some sort of settlement that includes a future withdrawal will probably not happen.
The Russian occupation, and the ensuing recognition by Moscow of the “independence” of portions of foreign countries, represent material breaches of international law and an active disregard for the Charter of the United Nations, and the founding principles of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) embodied in the Helsinki Final Act and subsequent OSCE commitments.
Russia can stop the pain by withdrawing from Ukraine.


Those posters advancing the ludicrous idea that parts of Ukraine actually do not belong to Ukraine are uninformed. International law (see above) is on the side of Ukraine.

Most of the pain in the world could be avoided if the USA would stop sticking their nose in everyone's business. Why is the US in Syria now?
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