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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
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Old 02-25-2024, 06:38 PM
 
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Zelensky is claiming that the spring offensive failed because it someone gave Russia info.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...aked-to-russia

Wasn't it Zelensky himself that was telegraphing the attack months in advance. The government literally put out video trailers of the attack before it happened to hype up the propagandists on social media to get more public support.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/13695


Zelensky claims they've only lost 31K men. BS. If true they wouldn't need to kidnap men off streets, have an average age of soldier sky rocket, have mass graves expand, etc.

Zelensky seems unhinged asking tiny Georgia to attack Russia to open a 2nd front.


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That's exactly my view.


Look at more sources and think.

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Old 02-25-2024, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Zelensky is claiming that the spring offensive failed because it someone gave Russia info.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...aked-to-russia

Wasn't it Zelensky himself that was telegraphing the attack months in advance. The government literally put out video trailers of the attack before it happened to hype up the propagandists on social media to get more public support.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/13695


Zelensky claims they've only lost 31K men. BS. If true they wouldn't need to kidnap men off streets, have an average age of soldier sky rocket, have mass graves expand, etc.

Zelensky seems unhinged asking tiny Georgia to attack Russia to open a 2nd front.






Look at more sources and think.
Ukraine is begging for foreign volunteers.

Yet the neocons here and in the UK keep up the anti-Russia propaganda, lots of money to be made off of wars.
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Old 02-25-2024, 09:06 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The greatest danger is in destroying Russia too quickly. If a complete collapse should happen too soon, Russia would be unable to provide oil to anyone, thereby creating an energy shortage.


* In January, oil product sales slipped 7% as compared to January, '23
* Crude and product exports from Russia's major Baltic Sea port of Ust-Luga saw the biggest slide overall, with product flows down 150,000 b/d and crude 90,000 b/d lower month on month.
* Novatek's Ust-Luga condensate processing terminal was damaged in a Jan. 21 strike from a Ukrainian drone.
* The discount for Urals oil has increased to $17.50 a barrel. Russia has little choice but to reduce its price. Even so, many oil tankers loaded with Russian oil sit at anchor, unable to deliver for various sanction-related reasons.

LINK
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Old 02-26-2024, 03:13 AM
 
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The greatest danger is in destroying Russia too quickly. If a complete collapse should happen too soon, Russia would be unable to provide oil to anyone, thereby creating an energy shortage.
There is a greater danger: nuclear weapons. If the Poutine government collapse, who will be the successor?

Usually, whenever there is a revolution, weapons are the first to be taken. The greater the destructive capability of the weapon, the more desirable. But at the same time, the greater the complexity of the weapon, the less desirable. The goal is to take the weapon systems that can do the most good for you in the shortest time. The tank is desirable, less is the jet fighter, and least is the warship.

Intercontinental ballistic missile are -- intercontinental. So of what good are they to you when you are fighting/defending for control of the country? Your enemy is immediately in front of you, not on the other side of the world. So when contestant forces are in a civil war, what are the nuclear forces to do? Who do they respond to? What is the chain of command, if any still exists?
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Old 02-26-2024, 04:01 AM
 
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The greatest danger is in destroying Russia too quickly. If a complete collapse should happen too soon, Russia would be unable to provide oil to anyone, thereby creating an energy shortage.


* In January, oil product sales slipped 7% as compared to January, '23
* Crude and product exports from Russia's major Baltic Sea port of Ust-Luga saw the biggest slide overall, with product flows down 150,000 b/d and crude 90,000 b/d lower month on month.
* Novatek's Ust-Luga condensate processing terminal was damaged in a Jan. 21 strike from a Ukrainian drone.
* The discount for Urals oil has increased to $17.50 a barrel. Russia has little choice but to reduce its price. Even so, many oil tankers loaded with Russian oil sit at anchor, unable to deliver for various sanction-related reasons.

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You don't think it's weird to rotate between Russia is on the verge of total collapse and Russia is ready to attack NATO something logistically a lot harder to do than Ukraine?
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Old 02-26-2024, 04:23 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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'Reporting from Ukraine' update...5 minutes..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgFazJvNmRg
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Old 02-26-2024, 05:21 AM
 
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You don't think it's weird to rotate between Russia is on the verge of total collapse and Russia is ready to attack NATO something logistically a lot harder to do than Ukraine?
In a manufactured "truth" environment, anything is possible if it suits the required narrative. And there is no accountability or logic involved.
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Old 02-26-2024, 05:51 AM
 
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'Reporting from Ukraine' update...5 minutes..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgFazJvNmRg
Why do they still use that guy's face? Don't they know Zelensky sacked him?


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In a manufactured "truth" environment, anything is possible if it suits the required narrative. And there is no accountability or logic involved.
Orwell is becoming non-fiction.
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Old 02-26-2024, 07:25 AM
 
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The greatest danger is in destroying Russia too quickly. If a complete collapse should happen too soon, Russia would be unable to provide oil to anyone, thereby creating an energy shortage.


* In January, oil product sales slipped 7% as compared to January, '23
* Crude and product exports from Russia's major Baltic Sea port of Ust-Luga saw the biggest slide overall, with product flows down 150,000 b/d and crude 90,000 b/d lower month on month.
* Novatek's Ust-Luga condensate processing terminal was damaged in a Jan. 21 strike from a Ukrainian drone.
* The discount for Urals oil has increased to $17.50 a barrel. Russia has little choice but to reduce its price. Even so, many oil tankers loaded with Russian oil sit at anchor, unable to deliver for various sanction-related reasons.

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Saudi Arabia, Russia and other members of OPEC+ agreed to voluntary output cuts for the first quarter of 2024. OPEC+ producers have agreed to voluntary oil output cuts for the first quarter next year in an attempt to boost the market, but crude prices fell after the move.30 Nov 2023

source
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...r%20the%20move.
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Old 02-26-2024, 07:48 AM
 
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Germany wants to purchase infamous 155mm from India, to supply them to Ukraine.
Apparently, India has around several hundred thousand of them.
Each is priced approx 3500-4000 euro.
Will be interesting how India, the biggest importer of Russian oil, respond. Russia may get upset and say reduce the oil supplies by XX. And what then?
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