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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.64%
No 257 50.69%
Unsure 49 9.66%
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Old 02-24-2024, 05:28 PM
 
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If they are that ineffective - than why are so many on here scared of him?
We're simultaneously not scared of him, because their military is a clown show fighting with shovels and their economy is about to collapse.

On the otherhand, we recognize that he might attack countries extremely stronger than Ukraine with nukes that are logistically a nightmare to plan for compared to Ukraine.

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Old 02-24-2024, 06:46 PM
 
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Ukraine can count on the G7 for long-term support.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URtgpjSR4tQ
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Old 02-25-2024, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Screw the media. Anyone can see that the situation has been a stalemate for the past 2 years. Anyone can see that without massive western aid Ukraine will have to capitulate eventually. We can argue about who is winning, but I am asking, why are you rooting for Putin?
Check the dictionary for the definition of stalemate.
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Old 02-25-2024, 09:44 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Ruble is starting to tumble again. We talk a lot about it last year when it fell, then it seemed to make sort of a recovery. But now it clearly has nosed over again.
November it took 88 rubles to buy a dollar; now it's 92. Down 18% for the year.

97 rubles to buy a Euro in November; 101 now.
12.3 Yuan; 14 now.


LINK


Russia's greatest strength lies in their disregard for life - theirs or Ukrainian civilians. This will work against them, long term.
There is little strength to be found in their air force or navy.
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Old 02-25-2024, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Any day now Russia will collapse as the infighting in America intensifies into what will undoubtedly bring about the most bitterly contest presidential election in history, the flood of third wolders through the southern borders continues unabated, open air drug use and looting of department stores continues, and gender bender bureaucrats infiltrate our military. Merica is definitely gonna show those evil ruskies a thing or two!
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Old 02-25-2024, 10:39 AM
 
Location: moved
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Check the dictionary for the definition of stalemate.
Stalemate means no significant movement of the frontlines, over extensive period of time. Check the current frontline, vs. where it was in 2014, soon after the initial declaration of a "Donetsk People's Republic". To me, that's stalemate.

The irony for both Russia and Ukraine, is that if somehow today there were a magical peace-agreement to freeze the border exactly where the front-lines stand right now, then both sides would be keenly disappointed. Russia would have gained almost nothing, since its informal foray into Ukraine in 2014. Ukraine would have gained almost nothing, relative to just having renounced the territory seized/liberated/annexed (choose your preferred terminology) by separatists in 2014.

How isn't that stalemate?
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Old 02-25-2024, 10:44 AM
 
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Ukraine appears to be abandoning the front lines in the Orikhiv Salient.

It may allow them to have better defensive positions and defend less area, but Russia has momentum even if that momentum is small.

https://youtu.be/9f43rBVuhN8?si=EBfYxXj-yUu0ZvVv
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Old 02-25-2024, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Ukraine appears to be abandoning the front lines in the Orikhiv Salient.

It may allow them to have better defensive positions and defend less area, but Russia has momentum even if that momentum is small.

https://youtu.be/9f43rBVuhN8?si=EBfYxXj-yUu0ZvVv
I think this is the beginning of the end for Ukraine.
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Old 02-25-2024, 11:44 AM
 
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Those who are waiting for some kind of peace treaty or surrender, should "hold dey bref", cause it will never happen.
Most wars don't end in a treaty. The Russian/Afghanistan war didn't. For that matter, neither did the Russian/Japanese War. WW1 & 2 did, but there were clear winners. And losers.


The cackling donkeys enjoy pointing out the obvious - Russia has not collapsed. And then they claim they were assured it would happen, like "this week". They weren't, of course.
The collapse of the USSR/Russia has been going on for many years and will continue for many more. The ruble is next to worthless, Russian infrastructure is slowly failing and Russian demographics insure Russia will never recover.


More than 400 global companies pledged support for rebuilding Ukraine at the Ukraine Recovery Conference in London. Citi, Sanofi (SNY) and Philips are among firms that have signed up to the Ukraine Business Compact, signaling their intent to boost investment in the country.LINK


THIS ARTICLE discusses Central European companies that are scouting out locations, signing contracts and launching projects in Ukraine, seeking a foothold for future reconstruction work that could be worth hundreds of billions of dollars.


The Kerch Bridge will be destroyed, Russian access along the Sea of Azov will be cut and Russia will have no way to support whatever troops are left stranded.
Ukraine will do well in years to come. Poland will do even better as it brings nuclear power on line. Poland has even ordered Small Modular Reactors, which do not require a water supply.
Professor Mearsheimer who predicted years ago that the US and its allies would get Ukraine invaded by Russia thinks Ukraine is going to be a toxic rump state.
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Old 02-25-2024, 11:54 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Stalemate means no significant movement of the frontlines, over extensive period of time. Check the current frontline, vs. where it was in 2014, soon after the initial declaration of a "Donetsk People's Republic". To me, that's stalemate.

The irony for both Russia and Ukraine, is that if somehow today there were a magical peace-agreement to freeze the border exactly where the front-lines stand right now, then both sides would be keenly disappointed. Russia would have gained almost nothing, since its informal foray into Ukraine in 2014. Ukraine would have gained almost nothing, relative to just having renounced the territory seized/liberated/annexed (choose your preferred terminology) by separatists in 2014.

How isn't that stalemate?
It is. The front line indicates stalemate.
The difference is in the air war and in the Black Sea. That is not a stalemate. Aircraft and ships lost by Russia cannot be replaced. For that matter, mechanized equipment lost by Russia cannot be replaced at the rate they are being lost. Men can be replaced on both sides. Ukraine is still receiving new equipment.


I give the advantage to Ukraine. They keep pulling back, killing Russians as they go, and Russia keeps moving forward, capturing destroyed and abandoned territory. But what, exactly, are Russians moving toward?
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