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The Russians were hoping the Ukrainian army would charge helter-skelter through the minefields and obstacles they planted. It didn't happen. Instead, the Ukrainians are carefully picking their way through while clearing the mines as best as can be done.
Meanwhile, the are starving the Russian army by blocking their supply routes, stretching them thin by feinting attacks at various points along the 600 miles front, and attacking their command and control points with well planned artillery shots.
The naval war, if it can be called that, goes well for Ukraine, who has no real navy to lose. They have yet to sink the Grand Prize, which would be a Russian submarine, but maybe they will figure out a way. Since submarines must return to port every now and then, that may present an opportunity.
Crews quarters are almost always at or below the waterline on ships. I spent nine years in the navy, and from my standpoint it would be really hard to get a good sleep knowing the Ukrainians have drones which stay at sea, just waiting for an opportunity......
BUT THEY'RE DROPPING CLUSTER BOMBS!...
That's the latest cry from anti-Ukrainian Ruskateers. And it's true - Ukrainians are. But they are dropping cluster bombs on their own country. If Russians don't want to step on one, they could just go to some other country - like Russia, for instance.
Ukrainians know they will have to clean them up later. Maybe they can use Russian POWs!
So....Russian Wagner forces in Belarus we are told is meant to destabilize NATO and is a direct threat to NATO, but NATO pushing eastward multiple times into multiple countries including into Ukraine is not meant to destabilize Russia.
Does anyone actually believe the inconsistent Orwellian rhetoric?
So....Russian Wagner forces in Belarus we are told is meant to destabilize NATO, but NATO pushing eastward multiple times into multiple countries including into Ukraine is not meant to destabilize Russia.
Does anyone actually believe the inconsistent Orwellian rhetoric?
So....Russian Wagner forces in Belarus we are told is meant to destabilize NATO and is a direct threat to NATO, but NATO pushing eastward multiple times into multiple countries including into Ukraine is not meant to destabilize Russia.
Does anyone actually believe the inconsistent Orwellian rhetoric?
NATO was not "pushing" eastward. Eastern European nations were pulling NATO eastward. No NATO member was forced into NATO, with the process itself being long and complicated. To help illustrate that fact, please list a single NATO member that wants out of the alliance. We'll wait right here while you bring something back to that effect.
So in short, NATO pushing eastward is a blatant lie.
NATO was not "pushing" eastward. Eastern European nations were pulling NATO eastward. No NATO member was forced into NATO, with the process itself being long and complicated. To help illustrate that fact, please list a single NATO member that wants out of the alliance. We'll wait right here while you bring something back to that effect.
So in short, NATO pushing eastward is a blatant lie.
So, using your same logic, Belarus invited Wagner in. Russia did not push westward into Belarus, Belarus pulled Russia westward.
Yet the industrial military complex gives us the Orwellian logic that Russia in Belarus is a threat to NATO, but NATO in Ukraine and other former Soviet states is NOT a threat to Russia.
History repeats itself: In 1961 JFK putting nukes in Turkey (which back then shared a land border with the USSR) was NOT a threat to the USSR. But the USSR in 1962 putting nukes in Cuba was a threat to the USA. Same old Orwellian BS to grow the military budget bigger and sabre rattle.
The US has a ring of military bases around China, which is NOT a threat to China. China wanting to make a military base inside of Cuba is a threat to the USA.
So, using your same logic, Belarus invited Wagner in. Russia did not push westward into Belarus, Belarus pulled Russia westward.
Yet the industrial military complex gives us the Orwellian logic that Russia in Belarus is a threat to NATO, but NATO in Ukraine and other former Soviet states is NOT a threat to Russia.
History repeats itself: In 1961 JFK putting nukes in Turkey (which back then shared a land border with the USSR) was NOT a threat to the USSR. But the USSR in 1962 putting nukes in Cuba was a threat to the USA. Same old Orwellian BS to grow the military budget bigger and sabre rattle.
The US has a ring of military bases around China, which is NOT a threat to China. China wanting to make a military base inside of Cuba is a threat to the USA.
No, I'm not using "my" logic, I'm just using logic in general. For instance, exhibit A...
ST. PETERSBURG, July 23. /TASS/. Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has said that he is "starting to get tense with the Wagner group because they want to march on Warsaw".
"Maybe I shouldn't say it, but I will. The Wagner group has started to stress us: ‘We want to go to the West. Let us go.’ I said, why do you want to go to the West? ‘Well, to go on a tour to Warsaw, to Rzeszow'," Lukashenko said at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The Chinese embassy in Moscow on Friday criticized “brutal and excessive law enforcement by Russia” after five Chinese citizens were denied entry into the country.
No, I'm not using "my" logic, I'm just using logic in general. For instance, exhibit A...
ST. PETERSBURG, July 23. /TASS/. Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has said that he is "starting to get tense with the Wagner group because they want to march on Warsaw".
"Maybe I shouldn't say it, but I will. The Wagner group has started to stress us: ‘We want to go to the West. Let us go.’ I said, why do you want to go to the West? ‘Well, to go on a tour to Warsaw, to Rzeszow'," Lukashenko said at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
NATO is in a proxy war with Russia. If we're going to talk about words. An official at the European Council said the Baltic Sea was now a NATO lake. Joe Biden has said US troops would be fighting in Ukraine soon, of course that was passed off as a stutter, US offolicials talking about US weapons killing Russians with joy, etc.
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