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Another thing that would attract Chinese is the fall of the Ruble against the Yuan. The Ruble is down 30% over the last year against the Yuan - and everything else, too - and that makes investing in Russia very attractive.
The mistake the Chinese make is in not assimilating with the Russian people. The article points out the Chinese keep to themselves and I see that as a mistake if genuine relations are to be formed.
Of course, we are talking about Russia and China, neither of whom would make good business partners under any circumstances.
The ruble is not through falling. Russia has done what it could to support it, but they are now out of options. It will fall further against dollar, yuan, rupee and Euro. I wouldn't be surprised to learn foreign investors have stopped investing, and are now just waiting to pick up the pieces at some point.
I suppose they have no reason assimilate. For one thing, the Chinese don't view their culture as inferior to Russia's, but then also the russians are steadily leaving Siberia, have been since the fall of the USSR. The chinese are eventually just gonna supplant them in the far east.
1. China is an ally. They will never allow Russian refugees to cross their borders, in the event of a "Russian collapse" so they will never allow Russia to collapse. Again, see how much support and aid they give to North Korea to prevent the same thing. And there's plenty of reports of them giving support to Russia now, which you alarmingly ignored. They are not "neutral."
2. North Korea has nukes and is friends with China, Iran is a powerful middle eastern enemy and is friends with Russia, and Syria is back in the arms of the Arab league which controls a ton of oil. They are not "low level military powers" and if they were, they are still friends with "high level military powers."
3. I like how you skipped the military alliance of Russia and Eurasia, I'll post it again for you:
So yes, Russia has allies, and their allies have allies. And they all hate the west and China doesn't want Russian refugees flooding into China. Sorry for the breaking news.
You're letting your bias ignore reality. There would be world peace tomorrow, if no one hated western ideology.
You claimed Russia has no allies and that was 100% false.
Armenia doesn't hate the west and they are busy trying to survive vs. Azerbaijan, whose Turkish equipment overwhelmed Armenia's Russian equipment in the recent war. Kazakhstan's leader has recently distanced itself from Russia. They don't want to be the next Ukraine. https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/16...a-ukraine-war/ "...Not a single official in Kazakhstan has expressed support for Moscow since its invasion of Ukraine in February—not even to voice an understanding (like China’s) of Russia’s “reasonable security concerns.†Instead, Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev has openly refused to support Russia. Kazakhstan has not recognized the self-proclaimed republics in Ukraine’s Donbas region and is not helping Russia to circumvent economic sanctions. Domestically, Kazakhstan has fought any signs of support for Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war on Ukraine among Kazakh society by banning Russian military propaganda symbols and canceling the May 9 Victory Day parade.
Russian pro-government media and Telegram channels claim that Kazakhstan has gone so far as to supply Ukraine with arms...."
Uzbekistan is not an ally. They have been trying hard to distance themselves since they left the USSR.
Oh sure sure, whatever makes you sleep better, buddy. But, this vid below was 9 yrs ago, and things have only gotten more interesting with time, especially due to current events.
The Russian Far East region (the eastern half of Siberia), has only 6.3 million people. And many are not ethnically Russian. The Chinese could move 6 million Chinese there in a month. Much of that area was claimed by China at one point.
The bolded is fake news. Putin was not willing to do that.
It is totally fake news. Putin was never willing to even go back to the 2020 borders.
Ukraine publicly offered never to join NATO. Putin wanted to destroy Ukraine. Its really hard to see how anyone believes otherwise.
It is totally fake news. Putin was never willing to even go back to the 2020 borders.
Ukraine publicly offered never to join NATO. Putin wanted to destroy Ukraine. Its really hard to see how anyone believes otherwise.
Hard to say whether folks posting this actually believe it or not.
Ukraine was perhaps led astray by NATO. NATO does not have Ukraine's best interests at heart in this proxy war.
It was America, not NATO. All of this is America's fault. More specifically, Joe Biden and the neocons. The rest of NATO(except Poland) were more-or-less dragged into this war.
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The bolded is fake news. Putin was not willing to do that.
Do you think if Russia withdrew within its own borders, Ukraine would keep the war going?
If Russia abandons the pro-Russian regions of Ukraine, all of those regions will be defacto ethnically-cleansed, including Crimea. The reality is, the retarded 2014 Victoria Nuland/US-backed coup triggered a Civil War.
No one gives a **** about borders if borders don't make any ****ing sense and if governments are mistreating their own citizens. Ukrainians are not the good guys. Why do you think they refused to "federalize" Ukraine(IE decentralize) and to implement Minsk? Ukrainians are the scum of the Earth. I'm tired of people defending them.
Just look at their behavior this entire war. They are the most tyrannical and corrupt government on Earth(other than North Korea) and everyone pretends they're the pinnacle of freedom and democracy. It's insane.
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No, this is about Russia's far east, which happens to be "historic Chinese lands", with Russia's population there numbering around 6 million at the time of that vid, vs 100 million Chinese right across the border, in cities busting at the seams. It's in that region that the Chinese are crossing over, setting up shop and starting businesses...staffed by Chinese workers.
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The Russian Far East region (the eastern half of Siberia), has only 6.3 million people. And many are not ethnically Russian. The Chinese could move 6 million Chinese there in a month. Much of that area was claimed by China at one point.
1) Mongolia could be considered "historical Chinese land" and it only has 3 million people. Is China going to annex Mongolia? You could argue that much of Central Asia is also historical Chinese land, are they going to annex that too?
2) The population density near the Chinese/Russian border is low on both sides of the border for the same reason it is low in Mongolia. It is **** land. Saying that Chinese is going to invade Russia's "far east" because it has a low population, is like saying British Columbia(5 million) is going to invade Alaska(.7 million).
3) How many Chinese move to Russia every year compared to how many Chinese come to America every year? Hell, there are nearly 2 million Chinese in Canada, and 1.4 million in Australia. Russia doesn't even crack the top 10 for countries with the most ethnic Chinese(and official Russian numbers are even lower).
Here's what I would say... I think China administering the "far east" makes far more sense than Russia. I think the land/resources are more-or-less squandered by Russia because of both a manpower shortage, and the sheer distance between the far east and Moscow. Russia has a difficult time convincing Russians to move to the east, having to entice them with much higher pay. Both because of the harshness and desolation of the area, and also because of the higher cost-of-living(similar to Alaska).
The Chinese have both the manpower and the logistics to develop the far east in ways that Russia can't.
With that said, none of that is going to happen unless Russia allows it to happen. China is not going to invade an area where ethnic Russians make up 81% of the population(Vladivostok is 92% Russian), where there are very few ethnic Chinese, and where no one speaks Chinese.
1) Mongolia could be considered "historical Chinese land" and it only has 3 million people. Is China going to annex Mongolia? You could argue that much of Central Asia is also historical Chinese land, are they going to annex that too?
2) The population density near the Chinese/Russian border is low on both sides of the border for the same reason it is low in Mongolia. It is **** land. Saying that Chinese is going to invade Russia's "far east" because it has a low population, is like saying British Columbia(5 million) is going to invade Alaska(.7 million).
3) How many Chinese move to Russia every year compared to how many Chinese come to America every year? Hell, there are nearly 2 million Chinese in Canada, and 1.4 million in Australia. Russia doesn't even crack the top 10 for countries with the most ethnic Chinese(and official Russian numbers are even lower).
Here's what I would say... I think China administering the "far east" makes far more sense than Russia. I think the land/resources are more-or-less squandered by Russia because of both a manpower shortage, and the sheer distance between the far east and Moscow. Russia has a difficult time convincing Russians to move to the east, having to entice them with much higher pay. Both because of the harshness and desolation of the area, and also because of the higher cost-of-living(similar to Alaska).
The Chinese have both the manpower and the logistics to develop the far east in ways that Russia can't.
With that said, none of that is going to happen unless Russia allows it to happen. China is not going to invade an area where ethnic Russians make up 81% of the population(Vladivostok is 92% Russian), where there are very few ethnic Chinese, and where no one speaks Chinese.
Attempts to make parallels to the Ukraine/Russia conflict are total nonsense.
See, I'm glad you're taking it so well, getting all "administered" by China and stuff! And Russia will absolutely let it happen...China's Russian bride will bring her dowry.
It was America, not NATO. All of this is America's fault. More specifically, Joe Biden and the neocons. The rest of NATO(except Poland) were more-or-less dragged into this war.
If Russia abandons the pro-Russian regions of Ukraine, all of those regions will be defacto ethnically-cleansed, including Crimea. The reality is, the retarded 2014 Victoria Nuland/US-backed coup triggered a Civil War.
No one gives a **** about borders if borders don't make any ****ing sense and if governments are mistreating their own citizens. Ukrainians are not the good guys. Why do you think they refused to "federalize" Ukraine(IE decentralize) and to implement Minsk? Ukrainians are the scum of the Earth. I'm tired of people defending them.
Just look at their behavior this entire war. They are the most tyrannical and corrupt government on Earth(other than North Korea) and everyone pretends they're the pinnacle of freedom and democracy. It's insane.
Like Russia has been doing to Ukrainians?
Crimea is the ONLY region of Ukraine that was majority Russian. The Donbas was 60% Ukrainian and about 35% Russian before 2014.
And the bolded is one of the most absurd comments on this thread-and there have been plenty. Bombing civilian areas, kidnapping children, murdering civilians, torturing both prisoners and civilians, ethnic cleansing. And most of these things the Russians are proud of and brag about!
Crimea is the ONLY region of Ukraine that was majority Russian. The Donbas was 60% Ukrainian and about 35% Russian before 2014.
And the bolded is one of the most absurd comments on this thread-and there have been plenty. Bombing civilian areas, kidnapping children, murdering civilians, torturing both prisoners and civilians, ethnic cleansing. And most of these things the Russians are proud of and brag about!
Donbas overwhelmingly voted for Yanukovych. Elections were deemed free and fair by the international observers. I'll wait.
P.S. And don't start with nonsense. Anybody who does not like election results tries to get a different result in the next ELECTIONS. That's how things are supposed to work.
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