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Old 06-28-2023, 03:49 PM
 
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Russians keep on insisting that there was some military meeting organized in that building, and they warn all Ukrainian civilians to get away from any building that they see Ukrainian military is entering.

I can see/hear in this rescue video English language of course. Why would this be happening in such provincial city as Kramatorsk?

https://t.me/vysokygovorit/12108

Yet another confirmation that the building was full of military.

It's outrageous that Ukrainian commandment keeps on practicing it throughout the whole war - using residential areas for their purpose, placing military among the civilians, where a lot of unsuspecting people are ending up wounded/dead.


https://twitter.com/ZadokQ1/status/1674145702119874569
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Old 06-28-2023, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Hmmmm

https://www.ft.com/content/1d084fc7-...ype=enterprise

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Sergei Surovikin, a senior Russian general known to have a good relationship with Prigozhin, has not been seen since recording a hostage-style video in the early hours of Saturday morning as the mutiny began, according to several people familiar with the matter.
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Old 06-28-2023, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Zelensky said next year presidential elections are cancelled, which raised some eyebrows, but apparently that is according to their law. No elections at war time / martial law time.

In the meanwhile Priggy has been using a body double.

Also, Russian general Sergei Surovikin has been arrested, so it sure looks like a purge is underway. They say the general knew in advance about the coup. Needless to say his days are numbered.
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Old 06-28-2023, 05:18 PM
 
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Zelensky said next year presidential elections are cancelled, which raised some eyebrows, but apparently that is according to their law. No elections at war time / martial law time.

In the meanwhile Priggy has been using a body double.

Also, Russian general Sergei Surovikin has been arrested, so it sure looks like a purge is underway. They say the general knew in advance about the coup. Needless to say his days are numbered.

What is the source of all this nonsense?
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Old 06-28-2023, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Near the State Capital
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Zelensky said next year presidential elections are cancelled, which raised some eyebrows, but apparently that is according to their law. No elections at war time / martial law time.
Of course raised eyebrows, because in October, 2020 he promised to end the war and if he can’t do it, he will leave.
Looks like this war is beneficial to him. It is politics.
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Old 06-28-2023, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Zelensky said next year presidential elections are cancelled, which raised some eyebrows, but apparently that is according to their law. No elections at war time / martial law time.
Yes, the Ukraine constitution prohibits elections under martial law. Of course the Russians have no problem with that. They will send armed soldiers out to make sure that everyone votes at the point of a gun. A totally fair election of course.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDDAQwWndT0
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Old 06-28-2023, 05:44 PM
 
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Yes, the Ukraine constitution prohibits elections under martial law. Of course the Russians have no problem with that. They will send armed soldiers out to make sure that everyone votes at the point of a gun. A totally fair election of course.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDDAQwWndT0

Did the "West" ever condemn Zelensky's government when it deprived 500,000 people living in Donbass of the right to vote in the 2020 local elections?

Or it simply *forgot* to notify its media of such inconvenience?

Propaganda is what propaganda does.
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Old 06-28-2023, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What is the source of all this nonsense?
Those of us who follow things know about it, and by now it is reported even US media.

Russkie mafiosos are turning on each other, and blood will flow.

Russian commander who may have known about Wagner rebellion is arrested: report
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia...rrested-report
The Russian deputy commander who oversaw troops in Ukraine and is believed to have been aware of plans for Wagner’s mutiny has been arrested.

Sources close to Russia’s Ministry of Defense told The Moscow Times of Gen. Sergei Surovikin’s arrest on Wednesday.


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Of course raised eyebrows, because in October, 2020 he promised to end the war and if he can’t do it, he will leave.
Looks like this war is beneficial to him. It is politics.
I'm pretty sure ending it would be far more beneficial to him.
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Old 06-28-2023, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Putin's house of cards is crumbling on the outside and burning from the inside..or vice versa..probably won't be long..
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Old 06-28-2023, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Putin freezes out hardliners after Wagner mutiny
Russian president’s security forces ‘have started shaking down sympathisers’ of exiled warlord
https://www.ft.com/content/1d084fc7-...1-56a05b9010fc

Vladimir Putin has moved to shake up Russia’s security services in the wake of the Wagner group’s failed insurrection, rewarding loyalists with promotions and freezing out figures sympathetic to the paramilitary organisation’s leader Yevgeny Prigozhin.

Sergei Surovikin, a senior Russian general known to have a good relationship with Prigozhin, has not been seen since recording a hostage-style video in the early hours of Saturday morning as the mutiny began, according to several people familiar with the matter.

The unexplained absence of one of the most prominent commanders in Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine comes as Putin seeks to restore order and re-establish control over the security services after the first coup attempt in Russia in three decades, said the people.
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