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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
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Old 06-28-2023, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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You're not entirely incorrect in your logic here, but you are a fool if you think Prigozhin is any less of a globalist than Putin. You're falling for rhetoric instead of understanding who people really are. As I've told you, never assume what people say is what they believe.

Even what they think they believe is often not what they actually believe. It is what they want to believe for some utilitarian purpose. The moment there is an alternative they'll change everything they are. It's why libertarians in 2008 and 2012 later voted for Donald Trump and became far-right nationalists who wanted Trump to ignore the Supreme Court, issue dictates via executive orders, and make himself president for life.

Prigozhin is not who you think he is. He is an ambitious liar. I have no idea what his end-game is, or why he is still breathing after what he did, but I do know he is not a patriot. I'm more of a Russian patriot than Prigozhin and I have no attachment to Russia whatsoever, and zero Russian or even East European ancestry. I'm more of a Ukrainian patriot than Zelensky as well.

PS: Who is Yevgeny Prigozhin? Psychoanalyze him for me.

Putin won't make a martyr out of Perogi.
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Old 06-28-2023, 05:16 AM
 
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That the average American can't afford a $400 bill, but the US government has spent $300 per US citizen on Ukraine including taking millions from social security to fund Ukrainian private equity positions and to eliminate Ukrainian national debt.
Thats cool and all, but if the Pootin had not started this war, its not like the US government would have given each of us $300. So getting mad about money we would not have received anyway is kind of pointless.
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Old 06-28-2023, 05:23 AM
 
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Its fair to say the wheels are falling off in mother Russia.

Good.

Looks like Piggie and Putin might have been conspiring together with the "coup' thingy in order to put some wheels in motion, and those wheels trigger some serious cleansing in Russkie political ranks, and hopefully also in pull-out from Ukraine.
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Old 06-28-2023, 05:33 AM
 
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Thats cool and all, but if the Pootin had not started this war, its not like the US government would have given each of us $300. So getting mad about money we would not have received anyway is kind of pointless.

Nah Putin didn't start it but he sure as hell is gonna finish it.
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Old 06-28-2023, 05:34 AM
 
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Its fair to say the wheels are falling off in mother Russia.

Good.

Looks like Piggie and Putin might have been conspiring together with the "coup' thingy in order to put some wheels in motion, and those wheels trigger some serious cleansing in Russkie political ranks, and hopefully also in pull-out from Ukraine.

Wheels falling off according to ISW?
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Old 06-28-2023, 05:43 AM
 
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Wheels falling off according to ISW?
According to my own observations.

Why do you need others to form your opinion?

RUKI VVERKH! SDAVAT'SVA!

You'll be hearing that a lot soon, and its best to obey.
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Old 06-28-2023, 06:00 AM
 
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Default More U.S. weapons going to Ukraine - half a $$ billion - now 41 times

Announced that for the 41st time, more military weapons and vehicles headed to Ukraine. This one is $500,000,000. That’s $500 million.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Release...e-for-ukraine/

What’s common now is the phrase “up to” by DOD. The amount isn’t known exactly because when you deal with that many zeros, the details get lost.

Here is a more detailed list of the $500,000,000 going out this week.
https://media.defense.gov/2023/Jun/2...et-27-June.PDF

In total, it’s over $41 billion or 41,000,000,000.00

Where is this taxpayer money coming from that is not helping the U.S? Did the Pelosi vote and that meant the U.S, will send Ukraine $$$ billions funding for endless years?
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Old 06-28-2023, 06:17 AM
 
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Where is this taxpayer money coming from that is not helping the U.S? Did the Pelosi vote and that meant the U.S, will send Ukraine $$$ billions funding for endless years?
Our NATO allies are sending old gear to Ukraine, and buying new gear from US.

Our arms exports is skyrocketing, which Russian arms exports is plummeting, so there are some benefits to it.

Where does taxpayer money come from? The word 'taxpayer' SHOULD explain it.
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Old 06-28-2023, 06:44 AM
 
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[…]

Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the maintenance of the Wagner group was fully provided by the state. He said this on Tuesday, June 27, at a meeting with the military in the Kremlin.
Putin pointed out that from May 2022 to May 2023, the Russian government allocated 86 billion 262 million rubles for the maintenance of PMCs. It is specified that the money was allocated for the financial support of the fighters and incentive payments. The president also noted that the owner of the Concord company, supplying food for the military through Voentorg, was able to earn 80 billion rubles from the state in a year.
[…]
Now, explain to me this. Concord was paid R86B plus in a year. For services. Out of this, company owner made R80B PROFIT? That'd have been the best ever known in history of humanity gesheft!!
You’re reading this wrong, $86 billion rubles for PMC salaries and incentives. Separately $80 billion paid to the food supply company. No mention of profit, even though they use the word “earn”. Prigo’s companies feed all of the armed forces, all of the Russian schools, all of the government. A nice set of contracts to have.
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Old 06-28-2023, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Our NATO allies are sending old gear to Ukraine, and buying new gear from US.

Our arms exports is skyrocketing, which Russian arms exports is plummeting, so there are some benefits to it.

Where does taxpayer money come from? The word 'taxpayer' SHOULD explain it.
Those damn Russians can't do anything right.


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