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Neither side will run out of men. Both sides will see the futility of a forever war of attrition and come to a negotiated settlement. This will probably happen within 1.5 years. The US can't and shouldn't fund this war until Putin drops dead or whatever.
In 2024, the goal of Ukraine will shift from attempting to retake all of it's territory to stabilizing the front line while making some counter-attacks here and there. Nothing really suggests that anything will be different in 2024 than 2023 for the chances of a Ukrainian breakthrough. The Russians are TOO dug in, and the Ukrainians don't have the manpower and tools needed to significantly breakthrough Russian defenses. 2024 will be about exacting a greater cost on the Russians and proving that Ukraine can perpetually more or less hold the front in order to bring the Russians seriously to the negotiating table.
Actually what the US should do is help make that happen. Send a seal team after him. But since he's no threat to the US and more than half of the people here don't care about Ukraine so that's not going to happen. It's not the old days when the US was the world's police that projected against injustices.
I think 2024 will be worse for Ukraine. It will be a matter of time before the air defense systems run out of ammo and they'll be sitting ducks, like Spring 2022 all over again.
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Ukraine is already out of bodies, out of ammo, out of resources except for those it receives from the US. And the enthusiasm for providing more funds to a losing proposition is beginning to dry up in Washington’s political circles, and as we get closer to November, the Rats will be looking for an off ramp. That’s even more true across European governments who know that Ukraine is defeated, and that providing additional support is a no win proposition..
The fact is, Zelenskyy is treading on thin ice, internally … contrary to the propaganda that it is Putin who is suffering politically, it’s Zelenskyy who is on his last political leg. The mass sacrifice of Ukrainians he has presided over, which has now devolved into rounding up pizza delivery boys and 60 year old men into military service, and sending them to the front lines to be systematically slaughtered, has only been supported because of 10’s of Millions of dollars lining the pockets of the corrupt members of his political regime. When those dollars dry up, so will that support.
Actually what the US should do is help make that happen. Send a seal team after him. But since he's no threat to the US and more than half of the people here don't care about Ukraine so that's not going to happen. It's not the old days when the US was the world's police that projected against injustices.
I think 2024 will be worse for Ukraine. It will be a matter of time before the air defense systems run out of ammo and they'll be sitting ducks, like Spring 2022 all over again.
They are supposedly drafting women now too.
Russia bad. Hook line and sinker. Now if you don't like the message attack the messenger. Ritter Johnson Armstrong.
All of Luhansk and Donetsk (and Crimea) are Russian speaking and ethnically Russian Ukrainians. It's on the damn map.
It is on the map. You are incapable of understanding. Crimea is the only predominately Russian ethnic oblast. Luhansk and Donetsk have significant Russian minorities (30-35%). The rest doesn't have significant Russian ethnic populations.
All of Luhansk and Donetsk (and Crimea) are Russian speaking and ethnically Russian Ukrainians. It's on the damn map.
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It is on the map. You are incapable of understanding. Crimea is the only predominately Russian ethnic oblast. Luhansk and Donetsk have significant Russian minorities (30-35%). The rest doesn't have significant Russian ethnic populations.
Even more succinct and to the point is, it doesn't matter.
Like the US, Ukraine has a constitution that prohibits secession. Rocko may not know it, but there was actually a war fought right here in the US over that very issue.
A state may not leave the US no matter what language they speak and an oblast may not leave Ukraine no matter what language they speak.
Rocko needs to find a better drum to beat.
Even more succinct and to the point is, it doesn't matter.
Like the US, Ukraine has a constitution that prohibits secession. Rocko may not know it, but there was actually a war fought right here in the US over that very issue.
A state may not leave the US no matter what language they speak and an oblast may not leave Ukraine no matter what language they speak.
Rocko needs to find a better drum to beat.
Well, heck, Texas was once part of Mexico. Yet Texas left Mexico to become part of the US. It certainly was not legal for Texas to leave Mexico and Mexico did the best they could to send in their military to try to stop it. But they failed and were defeated by US forces. So legal, scmlegal, whomever has the most powerful force decides what is "legal".
It is on the map. You are incapable of understanding. Crimea is the only predominately Russian ethnic oblast. Luhansk and Donetsk have significant Russian minorities (30-35%). The rest doesn't have significant Russian ethnic populations.
Are you seriously claiming Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk are not ethnically Russian with Russian speakers?
Someone didn’t look at the map.
These are about facts. I don’t care about two broke corrupt eastern European countries. These are facts on a map. Russia was welcomed into Eastern Ukraine. There was no “surrender.”
These are facts, not propaganda opinion pieces.
Luhansk:
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In the Ukrainian Census of 2001,[24] 49.6% of the inhabitants declared themselves as ethnically Ukrainians and 47% as Russians. 85.3% of the population spoke Russian as their native language, while 13.7% spoke Ukrainian, 0.2% Armenian and 0.1% Belarusian.
The native language of 74.9% of the population of the Donetsk region is Russian, compared with 24.1% Ukrainian.[58] 58.7% of people of Ukrainian ethnicity considered Russian to be their native language.
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