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I do like Zelensky's latest plea..."Give me money or I'm gonna surrender"
IMO retreating is as good as surrendering.
I think it's "give me money, or I will keep on targeting Russian oil refineries, as much as you don't want me to. ( Since it rises the price of oil, as Biden's admin pointed at to Ukrainians earlier, asking them to refrain from these actions.)
Uh, that would actually be BECAUSE the US ponied up the 2Bil. Most of which, BTW, never left the US because it is in the form of weapons and systems built in America by Americans.
But it's done now. Ukraine has the same weapons Russia does and more are on the way. Russia does not dare quit this war they started. If they did, they would quickly lose Crimea forever, and they can't afford to lose Crimea.
Sure-sure, except for Ukraine doesn't have as many men as Russia does.
So I hope what you'll see here, will make you happy.
Almost no one actually believes Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election.
It's pure Russian disinformation. Russia has tried to blame Ukraine for what Russia actually did, and it's been thoroughly debunked.
This is Exhibit A, folks.
Folks choose to ignore what is clear as day or are simply ignorant of matters.
Politico has reported extensively on Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election. Here are snippets from one such article, titled Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
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Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.
Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.
A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.
The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.
So, again, forgive me for not giving a hoot about a country that brazenly worked with the DNC to interfere in our politics
This isn't some secret or some conspiracy
Now, there hasn't been a clear link established between officials in Kiev directing such interference, but I say so what (and note that a link established or not established via intelligence assessments doesn't mean that there is no link)? Ukrainian government officials certainly did interfere in the 2016 election in support of Hillary Clinton. That the effort may not have been as centralized as Russian interference efforts are doesn't change this point.
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You misstate Germany's position on Support for Ukraine.
Germany is very much supporting Ukraine. What German Chancellor Schholz has refused to do is send long-range missles for fear that they may be mis-used, or worse yet, Russia gets their hands on the technology. That kind of makes sense.
You choose to misstate what I have written (I have never claimed that Ukraine isn't supporting Ukraine). I noted that "aiding Ukraine here" (with the "here" referring specifically to the missiles) would be escalatory.
Folks choose to ignore what is clear as day or are simply ignorant of matters.
Politico has reported extensively on Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election. Here are snippets from one such article, titled Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
So, again, forgive me for not giving a hoot about a country that brazenly worked with the DNC to interfere in our politics
This isn't some secret or some conspiracy
Now, there hasn't been a clear link established between officials in Kiev directing such interference, but I say so what (and note that a link established or not established via intelligence assessments doesn't mean that there is no link)? Ukrainian government officials certainly did interfere in the 2016 election in support of Hillary Clinton. That the effort may not have been as centralized as Russian interference efforts are doesn't change this point.
Yes it was S. Leshenko ( Ukrainian MP) that passed certain documents to US media, that brought resignation of Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager. So of course there was Ukrainian interference in US elections.
The hoax is that Russia tried to help President Trump get elected. They helped Bernie, Hillary and Trump as documented in Mueller's report. Their main goal was to divide Americans.
When are the Republicans going to introduce their aid package to Russia for its war against Ukraine?
Maybe when their leader becomes president again.
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Putin's march across the world eh ?
2 years in now and no taking over the world has happened.
But the US has laundered over $100 billion over it.
Yeah, that's because Ukraine has been putting up a fight and preventing a repeat of Poland under Hitler in 1939. Otherwise it would have happened by now.
Folks choose to ignore what is clear as day or are simply ignorant of matters.
Politico has reported extensively on Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election. Here are snippets from one such article, titled Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
So, again, forgive me for not giving a hoot about a country that brazenly worked with the DNC to interfere in our politics
This isn't some secret or some conspiracy
Now, there hasn't been a clear link established between officials in Kiev directing such interference, but I say so what (and note that a link established or not established via intelligence assessments doesn't mean that there is no link)? Ukrainian government officials certainly did interfere in the 2016 election in support of Hillary Clinton. That the effort may not have been as centralized as Russian interference efforts are doesn't change this point.
I'm shocked anyone is still buying the Russiagate hoax. You gotta be brain dead.
Meantime in Ukraine, the OP, RAF are advancing pretty much on all directions. Slow and steady.
The infamous by now X-101 cruise missile just got updated to almost twice the range, and now it is 5500 km, almost reaching Dublin and, the warhead went up from 400kg to 800kg.
Guided bombs went up to 3000kg, 5000kg is being finalized and RAF undusted the Elephant, the ten ton bomb, manufactured in the USSR and the largest ever conventional bomb. They are resolving the carrier issue before using them.
Folks choose to ignore what is clear as day or are simply ignorant of matters.
Politico has reported extensively on Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election. Here are snippets from one such article, titled Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
So, again, forgive me for not giving a hoot about a country that brazenly worked with the DNC to interfere in our politics
This isn't some secret or some conspiracy
Now, there hasn't been a clear link established between officials in Kiev directing such interference, but I say so what (and note that a link established or not established via intelligence assessments doesn't mean that there is no link)? Ukrainian government officials certainly did interfere in the 2016 election in support of Hillary Clinton. That the effort may not have been as centralized as Russian interference efforts are doesn't change this point.
No one believes Ukraine's interference with the 2016 election had any real effect, any more than Chicago's election interference - which, BTW, happens every year and has for generations.
In any event, this is all about the war. Russia has now moved all important ships out of Crimea and no longer has any hope of regaining control of the Black Sea. While Russia retains the ability to strike civilian infrastructure deep within Ukraine, they do not have, and never will have, the ability to occupy Ukraine. Clearly, Russia is hoping Ukraine will stop fighting.
The Kerch Bridge is no longer used to transport military cargoes. It is feared by Russia that multiple strikes on the bridge have weakened it and, since failure of the bridge would be catastrophic, they hope to save it for later use.
Putin issued the call for another 150,000 conscripts. It was expected. Russian law forbids the use of conscripts in foreign countries, but Russia will find several ways to either skirt the law or simply ignore it.
Speaking of ignoring law, ships transporting Russian oil refuse to take Pilots aboard to assist them as they transit the Denmark Straits. These tankers operate outside the law first of all, because they can (there is no one to stop them) and secondly, because they could not pass inspection anyway. Russia would not be interested in cleaning up an environmental spill, even if they caused it.
Russia is the world's bully and should be economically destroyed. People quake in fear when Russia is named, and that is just how Russia wants it. At the core they are an economically insignificant country with an economy the size of Spain. They ignore international law and common morals, and get by with doing it by intimidating civilian with their nuclear arsenal.
Russia's nuclear arsenal is of value only when it is not used. If they were to actually use it - even once - it would be "game over" for Russia.
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. Most of which, BTW, never left the US because it is in the form of weapons and systems built in America by Americans.
