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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
No 254 50.40%
Unsure 49 9.72%
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Old 06-27-2023, 07:18 PM
 
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Ukraine reporting to make progress across the entire front! It will be happening soon and Ukraine will be moving forward consistently now. NATO summit is July 11-12 so have to show them that Ukraine is in this and more hardware can win this unjust war.

Is that right? What kind of progress? 20 meters? 50? Maybe a hundred? Oh, it's 200? In a 25 000 meters deep defense system?

You darn right, summit is close they have NOTHING to bring to the table.



How about some real news - and from the horse's mouth, from Gauleiter Z office:


#Inside
Our source in the Presidential Office said that Tarnavsky reported to Zelensky about the heavy fighting on the southern front, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not have time to reach Tokmak by the NATO summit, and it’s not even worth talking about Melitopol at all. The enemy has gathered large reserves in the Zaporozhye region, which do not allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to move quickly, and they have to break into the defense methodically with heavy losses in equipment.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18497





Western analysts do not take into account the main thing that the General Staff has already modeled the situation for how long the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will last in order to continue the counteroffensive at such a pace and we will have enough opportunities for 2-3 months. Losses in the Azov operation are currently comparable to the defense of Severodonetsk and Bakhmut combined, which forces the General Staff to look for alternative formats. That is why so much depends on the D-Day operation with the landing on the left bank of the Dnieper.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18492

Washington Post says that, if AFU will continue offense at the existing tempo, they will need at least SIXTEEN YEARS to recover the lost territory.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/26/russia-coup-ukraine-opportunity-stalemate/
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Old 06-27-2023, 07:24 PM
 
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yes sir.


Very plausible. And does not take much. Just consent from higher ups in the world rule.

As a small token of example, recover photo from about 2 years ago, when Lukashenko and Putin played hockey together. Lukashenko's jersey say "1", Putin's - "11" but, if added, it's "2".



Here's another token:


With the "Wagner rebellion" everything is more than ambiguous - the speed with which the parties to the conflict came to a consensus arouses concern not only in Ukraine, but also in the West.

Thus, after the relocation of the Wagner PMC to Belarus, there is a threat of an offensive by the Russian forces on the northwestern parts of Ukraine. In addition, "Wagner" actually stops the threat of an invasion from Poland into the Belarusian western regions. A second proxy conflict is quite possible, this time between Poland and Belarus, moreover, with a splash on Polish territory. The transfer of tactical nuclear weapons to Minsk fits into this scheme.

This version is also supported by the fact that Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki has already announced the need to strengthen the borders against the backdrop of news about the “moving” of Wagner PMC and Yevgeny Prigozhin to Belarus. He believes that the “risk of a threat from Moscow” has increased The politician called the actions of Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Belarusian counterpart Alexander Lukashenko “strange.” It turns out that the crisis in the Russian Federation was resolved in a way that was completely unexpected in the West, so now they are in complete confusion.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/18503

An interesting and unexpected twist to the story indeed.

But as they say, "god works in mysterious ways."
Putin could have placed Wagner in Belorussia himself already long time ago, without any confrontation.

But he would never consider it I'm sure, knowing about personal ties between Pri and Lukashenko.

Why would he want to do such favor to a man, ( Luka) whom he couldn't talk into giving up his independence and submitting under Putin's will, for quite some time?
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Old 06-27-2023, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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meanwhile Russia bombs a shopping center restaurant in Kramatorsk killing more civilians..nice job Russia..

but on the brighter side, Ukraine took back a town that has been under Russian control since 2014..
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Old 06-27-2023, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Denys update...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mcLNYcb7b0
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Old 06-27-2023, 08:08 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Over the last 10 years, the ruble is down 61.55% against the dollar
Over the last 5 years ruble is down 26.52%.
Over the last 2 years; down 15.4%
Over 1 year, down 37.64%
In just the last month the ruble is down 7.44%
Ruble to Euro is about the same. The ruble is falling apart.



https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?f...to=USD&view=1M
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Old 06-27-2023, 08:13 PM
 
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Max Blumenthal of the Gray Zone notes that:

We are told we must stand with Ukraine to protect democracy, but Zelensky banned opposition political parties and was ranked as one of the most corrupt places before the invasion.

That the average American can't afford a $400 bill, but the US government has spent $300 per US citizen on Ukraine including taking millions from social security to fund Ukrainian private equity positions and to eliminate Ukrainian national debt.
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Old 06-27-2023, 08:17 PM
 
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Oh?

I didn't think about this possible scenario, but it makes sense.



I know that quite a few Russians share the same sentiment; less corruption, better quality of life for average people overall.
And I tend to think that Putin will step down quietly rather than going with a bang.

Which would fit into this scenario.
Not gonna happen....besides....Lukashenko is only 2 years younger than Putin...
he'll be 69 in a couple of months....
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Old 06-27-2023, 08:25 PM
 
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Max Blumenthal of the Gray Zone notes that:

We are told we must stand with Ukraine to protect democracy, but Zelensky banned opposition political parties and was ranked as one of the most corrupt places before the invasion.

That the average American can't afford a $400 bill, but the US government has spent $300 per US citizen on Ukraine including taking millions from social security to fund Ukrainian private equity positions and to eliminate Ukrainian national debt.
I've heard this almost word for word a number of times on this thread....

Corruption does not equal "must invade country".....if it did....then somebody better invade Russia pronto....
Russia is super corrupt.....also most countries in Africa too....invade....invade ...invade ...right away, lol.

Weapon systems/ammo sent to Ukraine were mostly already paid for years ago....sitting in inventory ...with an expiry
date.....a very small percentage of the annual U.S. military budget.
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Old 06-27-2023, 08:27 PM
 
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Not gonna happen....besides....Lukashenko is only 2 years younger than Putin...
he'll be 69 in a couple of months....

Says country with how old a president? And Lukashenko is still playing hockey, while Biden falls from wind blow.

Seriously... can you do better?
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Old 06-27-2023, 08:29 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Max Blumenthal of the Gray Zone notes that:

We are told we must stand with Ukraine to protect democracy, but Zelensky banned opposition political parties and was ranked as one of the most corrupt places before the invasion.

That the average American can't afford a $400 bill, but the US government has spent $300 per US citizen on Ukraine including taking millions from social security to fund Ukrainian private equity positions and to eliminate Ukrainian national debt.
No. That's not what we were told at all. I've never heard that. I think you just made it up.

We should help protect Ukraine, but not for that reason.
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